Will rifters get punished?

[tomato]

That's because choppa doesn't really need buffs.

The choppas AoE tree is garbage and the class is inferior to slayer

At the same time the Slayer 2Hander path is pretty obsolete, so I'd say the balance between Choppa/Slayer isn't all too bad. Choppa's viable as-is and with the cleanse nerf done to ID it's not as painful as I had expected in T3 (cept when you see Ory do it during magnet/rift pulls, hah) - only issue that persists the the limiting counter-buffing done by Chop Fasta, as it only counts for 6 people in your group as to where Shatter Limbs counts for ALL people hit by the Slayer.

That, and 100 AP restore doesn't give as much burst as 10seconds of ignoring parry and block does (balance between Keep on Choppin' and Rampage). Yet, overal Choppas still have better single target burst than any 2hand/DW Slayer.

Reducing the cooldown on Chopa fasta a bit would actually be a good idea.

[Coryphaus]

That's because choppa doesn't really need buffs.

The choppas AoE tree is garbage and the class is inferior to slayer

WL is inferior to marauder, you're right we should buff him.
Imagine the destru outcry.

I wouldn't buff any of them.
Btw st burst from choppa>single target burst from slayer.

Debatable, T4 in RoR here will not be the buggy T4 that it was on live with all of maras bugs on tactics fixed and WL will not be the shitty AP starved class that has to spam pounce 5 times before it finally works and even then we all know WL will be buffed come later down the line

The ST burst between the 2 is also debatable and are basically on par

but choppas AoE tree is terrible, its even worse than going up monstro spec or path of stabbin putting a 14 point pounce mirror or a glass cannon mdps is not gamebreaking if thats what your trying to make it sound like

[RyanMakara]

If people are going to shitpost with "l2p" in topics concerning major bs like this, I will block rift and EM outright around keeps.

@renorc
Aza called it.
Still someone wrote "l2p" therefore this person wanted rift/EM being disabled around keeps.
Easy to see.

It's not a 'l2p' issue in general when you get rifted/pulled through walls/doors, since this isn't supposed to happen in the game. It becomes a l2p issue when you CONTINUE to stand near walls/door, knowing that you might get pulled, and then take off to the forums to demand for it to be removed cus you're getting infuriated by it.

This whole ordeal is simply a switching of the metagame. As long as rift/magnet/GTTC can be exploited, it WILL. Better players will adjust to this and act accordingly, while the worse players would rather have an outright blanket neft. Basically, saying "l2p" applies to more than what we knew from live, it relates to how well aware people are about various ability bugs, and how to deal with them before the devs find a way to balance and fix the classes; since it simply isn't as easy of a fix for the developers on RoR.

[Bozzax]

Btw st burst from choppa>single target burst from slayer.

They had one or two time stamps ye when BEO peaked but over 10s Slayer did more ST dps in AOE spec.

EDIT: Diff over 10s was very low though

[RyanMakara]

At the same time the Slayer 2Hander path is pretty obsolete, so I'd say the balance between Choppa/Slayer isn't all too bad. Choppa's viable as-is and with the cleanse nerf done to ID it's not as painful as I had expected in T3 (cept when you see Ory do it during magnet/rift pulls, hah) - only issue that persists the the limiting counter-buffing done by Chop Fasta, as it only counts for 6 people in your group as to where Shatter Limbs counts for ALL people hit by the Slayer.

That, and 100 AP restore doesn't give as much burst as 10seconds of ignoring parry and block does (balance between Keep on Choppin' and Rampage). Yet, overal Choppas still have better single target burst than any 2hand/DW Slayer.

Reducing the cooldown on Chopa fasta a bit would actually be a good idea.

Agreed, I didn't even mention the cooldown discrepancy between SL and CF - if these get mirrored there'd be better counter-buffing at least.

[Renork]

If people are going to shitpost with "l2p" in topics concerning major bs like this, I will block rift and EM outright around keeps.

@renorc
Aza called it.
Still someone wrote "l2p" therefore this person wanted rift/EM being disabled around keeps.
Easy to see.

I would counter argue, but that would be a waste of time wouldn't it? last I checked you and your crew are god's gift to the warhammer universe and everyone just needs to "get good and l2p". Unless, it affects you of course.

[Coryphaus]

At the same time the Slayer 2Hander path is pretty obsolete,

Its no obsolete, theirs nothing wrong with slayer 2h path

Its overshadowed by how good dw aoe slayer is and also lets wait and see till slayers have both rampage and id as well as other tactics like embrace the pain

Choppas st burst is only better due to SYG tactic, but slayers have undefendable attacks so over all their dmg is basically equal


Its not even chop fasta and shatter limbs, just compare CF vs wispering winds

[Euan]

"bypass defenses" not working for you mate?

It would work better, or let you be more effective if defenders didnt have champ mobs to hide behind

Euan talked about WL in a grp, so get 2 destru mdps in on the backdoor and champs drop in 2-3s.
Those 2 mdps dont even have to spend ap or spec into a path for getting into the keep.
Anyway the lordroom is a safezone for everyone until the door is open. Dont see the issue here.

Aw, Nanji. Nice try but it's very different. You're able to jump on the squishiest of targets who is busy focusing others and deal great burst in seconds vs going thru the back door where you immidiately aggro mobs which hit hard and are facing the tankier classes. Cute.

[Nanji]

If people are going to shitpost with "l2p" in topics concerning major bs like this, I will block rift and EM outright around keeps.

@renorc
Aza called it.
Still someone wrote "l2p" therefore this person wanted rift/EM being disabled around keeps.
Easy to see.

It's not a 'l2p' issue in general when you get rifted/pulled through walls/doors, since this isn't supposed to happen in the game. It becomes a l2p issue when you CONTINUE to stand near walls/door, knwoing that you might get pulled, and then take off to the forums to demand for it to be removed cus you're getting infuriated by it.

This whole ordeal is simply a switching of the metagame. As long as rift/magnet/GTTC can be exploited, it WILL. Better players will adjust to this and act accordingly, while the worse players would rather have an outright blanket neft. Basically, saying "l2p" applies to more than what we knew from live, it relates to how well aware people are about various ability bugs, and how to deal with them before the devs find a way to balance and fix the classes.

Learning to play = avoid keepfights as a melee/tank. Got it. Much logic much wow.
When sb is abusing bugs it can never be a l2p issue. NEVER

[tomato]

@Coryphaus Where did I say it would be gamebreaking?

I said unnecessary, because choppa is viable.
And I despise mirroring, so if you want to buff choppa aoe tree, change Chop fasta.

@ Renork

L2p can be mostly used against skills who are working like intended.
Pulling through keep doors isn't working as intended and the best thing you can do against it is staying afk away from the door.

But logic doesn't really appeal to you does it.