Zealot/RunePriest AP Ritual bug

[Chsuan]

It has come to my attention while playing my zealot that the ap ritual doesn't proc for the zealot who casted it. Doesn't proc as in it NEVER procs, it's not RNG it's not bad luck it's how the ability is atm. It does however work fine for the rest of the group. At first i did not think much of it as i thought that it might just be how the ability was intentionally created. When i saw other RunePriests i was fighting never really having any AP difficulties i started to smell something fishy in the air. I then logged on my RP and tried the AP ritual out of curiosity, and as i had expected it worked perfectly fine for the RP. Both the caster himself and his groupmates were receiving the correct amount of AP from the AP ritual. I also decided to record me heal spamming myself, on both my RP and Zealot with the AP ritual as i'm expecting people wanting some sort of "evidence" since i assume this is not general knowledge amongst the population (correct me if i'm wrong.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLKUAovIZ4A (Zealot AP ritual test 1)
(Please don't confuse the "Natural" AP reg from what the AP ritual would give.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfSiY-6cvsw (Zealot AP ritual test 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJTRSGCciPY (Zealot no AP ritual)
(As you can see, there is no difference between with or without AP ritual.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wovGKIjbu8o (RunePriest AP ritual test 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3wyX5MJYtI (RunePriest AP ritual test 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGcged6cEk4 (RunePriest no AP ritual)
(When the RP is not using the AP ritual, he has the same reg as the zealot WITH or WITHOUT it.)

[sullemunk]

The zealot AP Ritual is NOT the same as the RP one. Zealot AP ritual gives AP on every ATTACK, and not on ABILITY used like the one from RP

in short: read the ability descriptions

[Chsuan]

So it's intentional that the RP AP ritual is better in everyway?

[sullemunk]

not necessarily, since dualwielders and fast attackers has higher chance of proccing the ritual on every autoattack and damage spell. The RP one is better for defensive ability users, while the zealot one is more for an offensive approach

[Azarael]

Please explain why you failed to read this thread:

http://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum/ ... f=8&t=5237

[Chsuan]

Please explain why you failed to read this thread:

http://www.returnofreckoning.com/forum/ ... f=8&t=5237

Because i'm not a god/sex machine?

On a serious note, sorry if i violated any forum rules. I was unsure of where i was supposed to post this and i thought general discussion was the right place. I was clearly wrong.

[Euan]

This quickly turned into a balance discussion which makes it appropriate for General.

I think both effects are good.

[Mez]

not necessarily, since dualwielders and fast attackers has higher chance of proccing the ritual on every autoattack and damage spell. The RP one is better for defensive ability users, while the zealot one is more for an offensive approach

This is the biggest joke of a post and you knew it as you typed it. It has long been argued this is one of the reasons RP > Zealot along with the dwarf armor tactic and Echo (rune priest ability to proc free bubbles). The Zealot was given the Echo finally in the last days of patches, but the ritual change should also have been given. Anyone who plays both toons, including myself, knows the RP is a ton better.


Just to stay on topic, Yttria tested heavily once rituals came out, and found they are completely broken for your party members. I.e. when your teammate attacks and procs the AP refill, it goes to the caster (your Zealot) and not them (attacker). So you are not helping your team out at all, but oddly enough the current version puts zealots a little on par with runies since they get more AP than intended.

[Azarael]

Just to stay on topic, Yttria tested heavily once rituals came out, and found they are completely broken for your party members. I.e. when your teammate attacks and procs the AP refill, it goes to the caster (your Zealot) and not them (attacker). So you are not helping your team out at all, but oddly enough the current version puts zealots a little on par with runies since they get more AP than intended.

Dunno where you're getting this from - the handler for the AP refill has as its target the host of the buff, not its caster.

[Vdova]

RP ritual is better than zealot ritual in most cases and its obvious. AP per ability activasion means it proc on heal skills(including RP him self),taunts,detaunts,guards,pulls,self buffs,debuffs,etc.
Zealots ap ritual procs only for attack abbilities including auto attacks so its handy for melee trains.
However I like zealot absorb ritual more. Cant wait to T3/t4 to test it with absorb dmg tactic procs from healing.