White Lions Pounce

[TenTonHammer]

Run away does not work all the time and if I'm slow, I ain't running nowhere.

Still runin pretty fast tbh. That tactic plus the auto detaunt is a efin damn combo...

I find it very amusing and intresting how more often than not in many cases of balance discussion shammys run away gets brought up, now my memory may be hazy but im relativly certian that shammys dont slot both run away and auto detuant as thre are more pertinent tactics to slot lastly why even use wls to "deal with shammys" when WH's are much more effective and can burst them down before they can event try to run

[Coryphaus]

So...ALL this time you were under the impression that White Lions can pounce back to their allies? LOL

Blame that on your team :>. With that being said, you probably should stop talking now.

U was also under the impression that pounce didnt let you reach the top of keep walls on live but it happens here, like wise i assumed from what i had seen that pounce targeting allies was another one of those changes.

I was wrong and i readily admit that, i dont play HE toons on order as they are aesthetically unappealing to me so its not like i can go test my assumptions

[bangkokeight]

i love these balance discussions..

If you are not enjoying the class you are playing i have a simple fix. Go to the character create screen.. create a different character.. see if you enjoy that.

Mara doesnt get pounce.... AM doesnt get mork sez stop...choppa doesnt get stealth...SM doesnt get 10sec eagle flight... jeez.. the classes were all designed to be different.. at this point in the game i am pretty sure everyone knows what they are getting when they roll a toon

devs have enough on their plate getting t3, lag, bugs fixed, exploits.. balance is not game breaking.. besides, variety is the spice of life..

Anyone who cannot name at least one person who played a specific toon awesomely well has not been playing long enough.... go on.. pick a toon.. i bet someone can name someone who made it work


rant over (apologies for its tone, its snowing here and i am bored)

[Asvaldr]

If people spent less time complaining and more time playing and learning their classes we would have a lot less "balance threads" ofc this is just my opinion...

[Aceboltz]

Well, white lions can't target their allies and pounce on them.
But in the real game (not the pen & paper forum game) there is almost always a target close to your allies to jump too: a tank, a squig, a daemon, a stupid melee , etc.
The WL will pounce on it, get healed to full hp and jump back to the front line. They all do it all the time, everyday, including Bretin's WL. Don't forget that white lions have an aoe detaunt, just like marauders.
It's an other reason why a no-cd gap closer on a melee class with the pet pouncing altogether is just plain retarded.

And this talk about run away is just disgusting. What does it have to do in a white lion thread? What is wrong if 1 class among 12 can somehow counter the bullshit that is the white lion? How many shamans have run away and wazat behind me slotted? I bet almost no one. If you slot both said tactics you can't take discipline or gork fixed it.

[TenTonHammer]

Well, white lions can't target their allies and pounce on them.
But in the real game (not the pen & paper forum game) there is almost always a target close to your allies to jump too: a tank, a squig, a daemon, a stupid melee , etc.
The WL will pounce on it, get healed to full hp and jump back to the front line. They all do it all the time, everyday, including Bretin's WL. Don't forget that white lions have an aoe detaunt, just like marauders.
It's an other reason why a no-cd gap closer on a melee class with the pet pouncing altogether is just plain retarded.

also makes using knock backs vs wls completely nonviable

one ability being able to render a complete subset of abilities more or less useless just dosnt seem right to me

[grumcajs]

offtopic (who cares bout pounce?)

Gobbo discussion went really really far too long to be any civil to these ignorant idiots who justify every order unique ability with "but gobbos" line.

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by same logic :
- armor debuff for my choppa cuz stunties get armor tactic
- double kd duration for my WE cuz stunties can slot tactic that make them recover 50% faster from CC
- AM can apply several hex debuffs so its fair to get tripple cleanse tactic for my zealot

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[TenTonHammer]

- armor debuff for my choppa cuz stunties get armor tactic

This was a thing and id like to see it back stackable and all, as a 13 pt ability in the 2h tree instead of outgoing debuff

with all the healers that ordo has outgoing inst really that useful compared to incomming

[woohoo]

tldr: salt

I woulda read yer post. then I remembered that your the guy that's been crying like a 5 year old with a toothache about pounce for weeks so I didn't. im sure all your points were reasonable. SALT

[Sulorie]

How many shamans have run away and wazat behind me slotted? I bet almost no one. If you slot both said tactics you can't take discipline or gork fixed it.

I agree on shamans having too many viable tactics later on but that's no bad thing. Just different tactic setups are possible, what you can't say about some other classes.

Where you lost me is gork fixed it. This skill has the worst heal/ap ratio and not even the tacic can improve it noticeable. Increasing something low with a percent value is inefficient. Not even the quite short cast time makes it viable.