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Morf
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Re: SW 2h viable in later tiers?

Post#31 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:18 pm

tomato wrote:
I read what you wrote, so tell me how those 6vs6 show that bo/sm is lacking.
I am not sure why i have to give a reason its obvious, sure bo can work but it is not the best choice for a tank, would u swap a super punt for an aoe punt ? would you swap dyg for spiteful slam ? would u swap da biggest for chosen auras ? the only thing a blorc brings that a bg and chosen doesnt is a ws buff, its not worth it if you are the type who wants to bring the best of for a 6v6.
Lets not derail this thread.
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Re: SW 2h viable in later tiers?

Post#32 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:23 pm

Penril wrote:
backrow wrote:GIMME YOUR BUILDZ

seriously tho, Grulo and Eiger what recommendations do you have for a noobie SM (built him after I hit rr40 on my main(s) . Im gonna be mostly soloing and/or duoing with a WL or AM.
I would do this for duoing with AM: http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sm; ... 9:2878:0:0:

You have more protection for yourself thanks to PoH and AA (shouldn't be taking much guard damage anyway if the AM is a decent kiter), and your Spirit debuffs (WoH and Heaven's Blade) stack, making the DPS AM very, very happy.

For WL i would go with this: http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sm; ... 9:2878:0:0:

PD will help avoiding guard damage. And the KD will be really useful for killing enemy healers (since WL's don't have a heal debuff yet).

For soloing i would go with the KD spec as well.
both with SnB, correct?

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Re: SW 2h viable in later tiers?

Post#33 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:26 pm

Penril wrote:
Nanji wrote:
Penril wrote:As soon as my guild leader returns from his trip we can set up a 6v6. Can't wait to superpunt your BO and SM.
I am looking forward to receive your superpunt. :)
But which kind of tea will I make while you guys try to catch a pouncing lion?
I said SM, not WL. I will superpunt your OP SM :)


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You are not the smartest are you? Read again what I wrote and assume I knew that you meant my op sm. ;)
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Re: SW 2h viable in later tiers?

Post#34 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:32 pm

tomato wrote:
I read what you wrote, so tell me how those 6vs6 show that bo/sm is lacking.
That video only shows you fought bad players.

You had two Doks, they had an IB. Yet they insisted on attacking your Choppa instead of going after a Dok. IB's outgoing healdebuff is uncleansable by Doks, and having a 5 sec CD and a 20 sec duration, the IB could have easily heal debuffed both your healers for 15 secs. On the other hand, i can see your BG on a WP (probably using his own heal debuff). Your BG did an excellent job.

Good Order would go after your Doks, heal debuff both, while the IB superpunts the BO away from guard range (leaving only your BG to guard both healers, but since the BG is probably attacking a WP he might not be available to immediately guard his backlines). Add an incoming heal debuff from the Slayer and one Dok is going down. The other won't be able to rez (canbe interrupted 2 times by the KotBS, one time by the IB, KD, etc.) and it is GG.

They also made the same mistake you did: they had 2 WPs. WP can't cleanse Ailments, so they weren't able to cleanse any debuff from Marauder (Armor, 25% inc heal debuff and wounds debuff).

I didn't see the BO do anything extraordinary. A Chosen would have been better to counter the KotBS auras (specially since you ran 2 Doks = no resist or stats buffs). Not to mention having access to another KD (on demand, no Plan required) or maybe even a 3 sec Stagger.

Don't take this the wrong way (it seems you are taking this way too personally). I never said you or your BO are bad; i'm sure you are excellent players. But saying BO is fine is just silly; they are the worst tanks along with SMs. That video unfortunately proves nothing.
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Re: SW 2h viable in later tiers?

Post#35 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:34 pm

Nanji wrote:
You are not the smartest are you? Read again what I wrote and assume I knew that you meant my op sm. ;)
And you guys have some 10-inch sticks shoved up your asses apparently. Chill.

We can have a friendly 6v6, or you guys can be forum warriors and be dicks about it. Idc, already saw it all here and in the old Bioware forums.

Cheers mate, will be in contact next week ;)

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Re: SW 2h viable in later tiers?

Post#36 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:39 pm

Uh you're speaking about us beeing forum warriors while you call a group you problably never fought bad.
(There is surely a saying for that in english which I can't seem to remember.)

Hope you and your group will show up for some fighting and not just talking on the forum. :)
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Re: SW 2h viable in later tiers?

Post#37 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:43 pm

Penril wrote:
backrow wrote:GIMME YOUR BUILDZ

seriously tho, Grulo and Eiger what recommendations do you have for a noobie SM (built him after I hit rr40 on my main(s) . Im gonna be mostly soloing and/or duoing with a WL or AM.
I would do this for duoing with AM: http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sm; ... 9:2878:0:0:

You have more protection for yourself thanks to PoH and AA (shouldn't be taking much guard damage anyway if the AM is a decent kiter), and your Spirit debuffs (WoH and Heaven's Blade) stack, making the DPS AM very, very happy.

For WL i would go with this: http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sm; ... 9:2878:0:0:

PD will help avoiding guard damage. And the KD will be really useful for killing enemy healers (since WL's don't have a heal debuff yet).

For soloing i would go with the KD spec as well.
Pretty much this, but dont take toughness tactic when soloing at this level. PD and EA are a great set of tactics to have for all situations. EA adds alot of damage. Also run SnB by default.

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Re: SW 2h viable in later tiers?

Post#38 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:52 pm

tomato wrote:Uh you're speaking about us beeing forum warriors while you call a group you problably never fought bad.
(There is surely a saying for that in english which I can't seem to remember.)

Hope you and your group will show up for some fighting and not just talking on the forum. :)
Never played soccer against Micronesia but i know they are bad just from seeing them play. BTW, i didnt call YOU bad. I called THEM (order) bad. And i explained why.

I pointed several mistakes from Order in that video. And as i said, i never saw the BO do anything extraordinary.... care to point me to a exact time there where he does? Because that was your point, right? That you do excellent with a BO/SM, correct? From that video, i think you would have done even better if you had run a Chosen.

Chosen/BG>>>>>>>BO for group play.

Don't worry, i will be in touch next week.

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Re: SW 2h viable in later tiers?

Post#39 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 3:59 pm

Fight, Fight, can i recommend bar knuckle fighting to avoid any excuses :lol:
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Re: SW 2h viable in later tiers?

Post#40 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 4:16 pm

Penril wrote:
tomato wrote:Uh you're speaking about us beeing forum warriors while you call a group you problably never fought bad.
(There is surely a saying for that in english which I can't seem to remember.)

Hope you and your group will show up for some fighting and not just talking on the forum. :)
Never played soccer against Micronesia but i know they are bad just from seeing them play. BTW, i didnt call YOU bad. I called THEM (order) bad. And i explained why.

I pointed several mistakes from Order in that video. And as i said, i never saw the BO do anything extraordinary.... care to point me to a exact time there where he does? Because that was your point, right? That you do excellent with a BO/SM, correct? From that video, i think you would have done even better if you had run a Chosen.

Chosen/BG>>>>>>>BO for group play.

Don't worry, i will be in touch next week.
You will bring your setup and we will bring ours, I just doubt that the bullshiting will stop after you lost. ;)
Not to imagine what will happen if we fail and you miraculously take a win from us. xD

In case you might loose I would advice you to learn this phrase "woulda coulda shoulda" it seems very popular amongst pen and paper warriors. :)
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