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Poll: How would you change BOs and SMs?

Give them a skill that decreases their enemies chance to crit
2
2%
Give them a skill that decreases their groupmates chance to be crit
5
5%
Give them a skill that decreases their groupmates taken crit damage
13
13%
Give them a skill that AoE debuffs armor
12
12%
Other (explain)
23
23%
Do nothing, both classes are fine
40
41%
Nerf them (explain)
3
3%
Total votes: 98

Penril
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Re: Poll: BOs and SMs

Post#141 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:58 pm

Tesq wrote:
You have no idea how much that change would impac the meta
1 chosen 1 BO /2 sorc x every party and in every premade wb
In T4 mDPS will still reign supreme. A fotm order premade (Double Slayer, or Slayer + WL/WH) would wreck those Sorcs in no time.

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Re: Poll: BOs and SMs

Post#142 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:59 pm

Coryphaus wrote:
Genisaurus wrote: I loved the ability to overextend and beat on healers, then leap back into guard range of my own.
This is not ok or should be acceptable at all

this is the same reason that i dislike WL's pounce
Tha's not bad x se, it's bad when it can be spam with no regard.
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Re: Poll: BOs and SMs

Post#143 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:02 pm

Tesq wrote:
Coryphaus wrote:
Genisaurus wrote: I loved the ability to overextend and beat on healers, then leap back into guard range of my own.
This is not ok or should be acceptable at all

this is the same reason that i dislike WL's pounce
Tha's not bad x se, it's bad when it can be spam with no regard.
BOs/SMs had a 30 sec CD. No one complained in old Bioware forums, but here... anyway as i said i already gave up on that idea.

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Re: Poll: BOs and SMs

Post#144 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:06 pm

Penril wrote:
Tesq wrote:
You have no idea how much that change would impac the meta
1 chosen 1 BO /2 sorc x every party and in every premade wb
In T4 mDPS will still reign supreme. A fotm order premade (Double Slayer, or Slayer + WL/WH) would wreck those Sorcs in no time.
it can be,it would require test, but i just wanna tell that if choppa fasta was nerfed to the ground there is a reason. Slayer can be OP but in wb vs wb sorc hit 9 ppl , slayer hit 3 ppl. Sorc have a positional aoe slayer have a frontal aoe, a tank wall can give enough time to make sorc bring down entire wbs.

Also sorc + guards get the same damage of a slayer that take magic damage. If they actually do the same damage , sorcs that hits 9 targets win the wb fights. ID is cleanseable now so slayer lost their omnipotent aoe.
To all of this add that chosen could be set 2h to do even more damage do win the fight in the early stage.
OF course it's risky chosen became squigshy but the damage buff he recive is incredible high.
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Re: Poll: BOs and SMs

Post#145 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:08 pm

Penril wrote:
BOs/SMs had a 30 sec CD. No one complained in old Bioware forums, but here... anyway as i said i already gave up on that idea.
i was refering to wl pounce not to bo/SM one, you know, for me that one is a one trick pony, the real problem it' lay on kobs/chosen that should not have a super punt. Only IB/BG should have those punt better versons
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Re: Poll: BOs and SMs

Post#146 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:12 pm

Tesq wrote: it can be,it would require test, but i just wanna tell that if choppa fasta was nerfed to the ground there is a reason. Slayer can be OP but in wb vs wb sorc hit 9 ppl , slayer hit 3 ppl. Sorc have a positional aoe slayer have a frontal aoe, a tank wall can give enough time to make sorc bring down entire wbs.

Also sorc + guards get the same damage of a slayer that take magic damage. If they actually do the same damage , sorcs that hits 9 targets win the wb fights. ID is cleanseable now so slayer lost their omnipotent aoe.
To all of this add that chosen could be set 2h to do even more damage do win the fight in the early stage.
OF course it's risky chosen became squigshy but the damage buff he recive is incredible high.
Question: Was Chop Fasta nerfed AFTER of BEFORE the AoE nerf? I hope you see where i am going with this question.

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Re: Poll: BOs and SMs

Post#147 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:15 pm

Penril wrote:
Tesq wrote: it can be,it would require test, but i just wanna tell that if choppa fasta was nerfed to the ground there is a reason. Slayer can be OP but in wb vs wb sorc hit 9 ppl , slayer hit 3 ppl. Sorc have a positional aoe slayer have a frontal aoe, a tank wall can give enough time to make sorc bring down entire wbs.

Also sorc + guards get the same damage of a slayer that take magic damage. If they actually do the same damage , sorcs that hits 9 targets win the wb fights. ID is cleanseable now so slayer lost their omnipotent aoe.
To all of this add that chosen could be set 2h to do even more damage do win the fight in the early stage.
OF course it's risky chosen became squigshy but the damage buff he recive is incredible high.
Question: Was Chop Fasta nerfed AFTER of BEFORE the AoE nerf? I hope you see where i am going with this question.
it's true it was nerfed before but i dont remember what the bomb nerfed was related, was that a value nerf or how the area stack on targets?
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Re: Poll: BOs and SMs

Post#148 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:20 pm

http://www.arksark.org/blog/1309/warham ... e-changes/

If Chop Fasta was indeed nerfed before this patch, i believe it was due to AoE being OP back then. After the AoE patch, Chop Fasta! should have been brought back to its initial state.

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Re: Poll: BOs and SMs

Post#149 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:27 pm

well nice but with no number how i can compare the values? :/

Also even if they would do like x% damage after the nerf , the last dok/wp aoe heal nerf bring this in pair :/

With the aoe damage nerf and then the aoe heal nerf they change all to change nothing ( damagae impact side i mean), still with no values i could not make a right comparison.
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Re: Poll: BOs and SMs

Post#150 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:30 pm

Tesq wrote:well nice but with no number how i can compare the values? :/

Also even if they would do like x% damage after the nerf , the last dok/wp aoe heal nerf bring this in pair :/

With the aoe damage nerf and then the aoe heal nerf they change all to change nothing ( damagae impact side i mean)
All the good Doks/WPs agreed that that wasn't a nerf, they pumped out pretty much the same healing; just needed to press a couple more buttons.

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