Suggestions: Group Vs WB, guard, heal and buffs,cleanse

[dkabib]

Yes, two hand tanks having any viability at all is a crime. Nerf them until they are totally useless and they'll be fine.

It's not that. That change to guard was actually in the Test Server but people complained so much. The thing is that at end game some 2H tanks do a good amount of dmg to be able to still guard their Mdps buddy.
It's just a concept, I'd like to see it tested maybe.

But to guard someone outside of party, I think that should have always been like that. It would stop the "please wb lead move me to party X please"

[Azarael]

I still don't get your logic, because it's already been discussed how playing 2H on a tank, even for DPS, tends to be a bad idea. Restricting Guard to a shield has no purpose except to try to nerf 2H, which really doesn't need interfering with.

[dkabib]

I still don't get your logic, because it's already been discussed how playing 2H on a tank, even for DPS, tends to be a bad idea. Restricting Guard to a shield has no purpose except to try to nerf 2H, which really doesn't need interfering with.

I see. What about being able to guard someone outside of group? I think that is a step forward to the mechanic without compromising anything.

[Penril]

I would really love it if people posted what class/level they played before asking for changes. Example:

- Played a rr90 BO on live. I think guard should be nerfed for xxxxx and xxxxx.
- Played a cr40 rr60 Magus. They should be nerfed because xxxx and xxxxx.

That way we can ignore people asking changes for classes/playstyles they haven't even tried.

[Penril]

I still don't get your logic, because it's already been discussed how playing 2H on a tank, even for DPS, tends to be a bad idea. Restricting Guard to a shield has no purpose except to try to nerf 2H, which really doesn't need interfering with.

I see. What about being able to guard someone outside of group? I think that is a step forward to the mechanic without compromising anything.

What about forming a group with a tank who guards you?

Ahhh right i forgot, this is RoR where premades are frowned upon and soloing/casual is the way to go. Ok.

Aza, this is just gonna get worse.

[dkabib]

I still don't get your logic, because it's already been discussed how playing 2H on a tank, even for DPS, tends to be a bad idea. Restricting Guard to a shield has no purpose except to try to nerf 2H, which really doesn't need interfering with.

I see. What about being able to guard someone outside of group? I think that is a step forward to the mechanic without compromising anything.

What about forming a group with a tank who guards you?

Ahhh right i forgot, this is RoR where premades are frowned upon and soloing/casual is the way to go. Ok.

Aza, this is just gonna get worse.

The suggestion is to make it easier for tanks to swap guard out on the fight of an Open WB. You don't have a well formed party everytime...

[Penril]

Not gonna waste time explaining this again. Aza and the other devs already know both stances on this matter. I can only hope they don't listen to these kind of suggestions.

BTW, you know what i do when i don't have a well formed party? I play anyway. Last night i was doing SCs on my BO grouped with only a Mara and a Zealot. Had an epic GoE victory (really close fight). Sad part? Some people probly will say we only won because we had a super coordinated FotM 6-man premade.

[Sulorie]

The best open warbands are closed.

[Tiggo]

i think we should discuss premade sc queue vs pugging now!

[Sulorie]

Again?
Premade vs Pug SC were ok. Bad teams lose, not Pugs.