Stop this keep trading please

[Luuca]

thats really stupid

your part of a " srs businesses" and can pull that off, my guild is not like that we may have 15 members on but we wont organize a guild wb or grp off the bat like that you cant force pugs to get in grps if they want to play scs

But it's NOT stupid to force people who group to break group to play a game designed for group play?

Your attitude is insane as a WAR player. The whole effing game was made to force you to play in a group and now you want the whole game design thrown out on it's ear because a faction of the player base can't understand why they can't jump in and solo against 12 other players (hell 2 other players working together for that matter)?

Do you not see how absurd your argument is solely based upon the symbiotic class skills?

[Jaycub]

If the game was designed for group play there would be no solo que.

I bet over 70% of the population even on this server mostly PUG. You can force people to group by removing solo que, but what we have now with solo/group que in the same que with no discrimination at all is just bad.

[Luuca]

It's scenarios "battlegrounds" are essentially identical to those in WoW, GW2, etc...

I'm not even gonna bother explaining why a group in WoW is not the same as a group in WAR. Maybe Mez or someone else is willing to illuminate you.

Wasn't talking about groups/comps just the battlegrounds/scenarios themselves. I know your/his answer is going to boil down to group compositions are more intricate thanks to tanks having a role in this game, which just means its even more important to have a coordinated group... hence the gap between pugs and groups is even larger. Which should mean they have no business fighting each other in a competitive environment like scs.

The only time WAR sucks for me is when i don't have a group. Even a PuG Group can be fun and effective, but solo it really sucks hard. When I have qued solo fo SCs, I do my best to play as part of that group (kinda have to as a Chosen cause otherwise I'm useless) and I take note of the Healer and DPS that are working together. I then send the healer a /tell (usually the one I was guarding) or Mdps (same with guard) and form an SC group.

It's not rocket science. It's not hard. It's part of the game. the needs of the solo player should never override the group design of the game. If they do in any area, the Group Game becomes imbalanced. That's partly what I feel happened in Live. They balanced certain classes outside of the group dynamic, which made them OP within the group dynamic.

[Penril]

No thats literally impossible you cant balance around 24v24 too many factors

this game is ment to be balanced around 6v6 teams

You know that if the game is balanced for 6v6 therefore it is balanced for:

- 12v12
- 18v18
- 60v60
- 666v666

etc.

The game was intended to be balanced for 24v24 so all classes had a role. You don't see a DPS Zealot or Magus in a 6-man, but it is very useful having at least one of them in a 24 man wb.

[Luuca]

If the game was designed for group play there would be no solo que.

I bet over 70% of the population even on this server mostly PUG. You can force people to group by removing solo que, but what we have now with solo/group que in the same que with no discrimination at all is just bad.

Sarcasm is hard to read, I agree. I was stating that if you want to remove the Join as a Group selection, it should be the other way around. It's only hard to find a group if you are against it. They need you as much as you need them. Maybe Order is different as I see a lot of set groups and maybe it hard for a PuG to get a group going, I dunno. That said, Destro runs a PuG warband every night and even I run a PuG SC group during off hours. We win some, we get wtfpwnd some. It's part of the game. L2Group and You'll have a shot at winning. Otherwise, I hear Golf is a solo game with good health benefits.

[Jaycub]

The main argument I am pulling from this is that there shouldn't be a group only que, becuase the population cannot support it, yet people are saying that the game is literally designed for group play. Something doesn't smell right. No matter what you do the majority of players here, or on live are going to be casuals, or even hardcore players who just at that moment do not wan't to deal with playing in a group and just want some casual fun.

Yet that is often ruined by having hardcore players (6 mans in TS/Vent) playing against casuals. Which should not happen. Being in a group should not be the deciding factor of whether you win or lose, that's just idiotic.

[Penril]

The main argument I am pulling from this is that there shouldn't be a group only que, becuase the population cannot support it, yet people are saying that the game is literally designed for group play. Something doesn't smell right. No matter what you do the majority of players here, or on live are going to be casuals, or even hardcore players who just at that moment do not wan't to deal with playing in a group and just want some casual fun.

Yet that is often ruined by having hardcore players (6 mans in TS/Vent) playing against casuals. Which should not happen.

hint: the "hardcore" player who decides to pug, won't come and cry on the forums if he loses. He knows what he is getting into.

hint 2: a pug consisting of "hardcore" players will still roflstomp a premade of casuals/bads. What are you gonna do then? will you ask for a separate server for casuals and hardcore players?

[Penril]

Being in a group should not be the deciding factor of whether you win or lose, that's just idiotic.

It should be in a group PvP game, like this one.

WAR is like Football. Or Soccer. Or even Baseball for that matter.

It is not like Tennis.

[Luuca]

The main argument I am pulling from this is that there shouldn't be a group only que, becuase the population cannot support it, yet people are saying that the game is literally designed for group play. Something doesn't smell right. No matter what you do the majority of players here, or on live are going to be casuals, or even hardcore players who just at that moment do not wan't to deal with playing in a group and just want some casual fun.

Yet that is often ruined by having hardcore players (6 mans in TS/Vent) playing against casuals. Which should not happen.

I disagree. First off, I think your numbers are inflated. Sure many people que solo, but they do so with the knowledge that they need a group, even a pug group, to have even the slightest shot at winning. They depend upon other solo players for heals at a minimum. What happens when they don't get healed? tears.

See? Even if you "play solo" you're still dependent upon the group dynamic. Why not get a group going and ensure your success? I just don't see how your argument should hold any water based upon what we know about how the game works best.


also: Ruined? for who? the people not playing it as designed?

[Forbiddian]

Being in a group should not be the deciding factor of whether you win or lose, that's just idiotic.

It should be in a group PvP game, like this one.

WAR is like Football. Or Soccer. Or even Baseball for that matter.

It is not like Tennis.

group pv games? lol its Realm vs Realm = zerg vs zerg, go wow to do arenas please