[WH] I'm sad to have been right...

[anaxandus]

Nominally i disagree with stealth duration nerf since thats kinda the theme of the class but its nice that you can walk around the map and not get jumped on by 5 witches at once.
Should've nerfed other things but this will do for now.

[abezverkhiy]

For some reason I don’t understand, people misunderstand these two classes. They think they should play them solo, and even when they’re in SC, they still act that way—but that’s not how it works. This is a team game, and for a WE/WH to get kills, they have to do exactly what other DPS do: play as a team and assist.
That’s where the difference lies. Good WE/WH players know this, which is why they’re doing great after the changes, while others are complaining as usual.

Fascinating post! We will do it since now.

By the way Mr. Hypocrite you missed following forum topics to give your lecture to

- this Rp
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=61355

- this Choppa
viewtopic.php?t=61182

- this Mara
viewtopic.php?t=61149

about them not playing the game correctly.

Obviously, seeing that you play all of these three classes you are more than welcome to explain to these lost players what they do wrong the same way as you did to WH/WE's despite you do not play stealthers but seem very knowledgeable about how to.

[nocturnalguest]

For some reason I don’t understand, people misunderstand these two classes. They think they should play them solo, and even when they’re in SC, they still act that way—but that’s not how it works. This is a team game, and for a WE/WH to get kills, they have to do exactly what other DPS do: play as a team and assist.
That’s where the difference lies. Good WE/WH players know this, which is why they’re doing great after the changes, while others are complaining as usual.

Fascinating post! We will do it since now.

By the way Mr. Hypocrite you missed following forum topics to give your lecture to

- this Rp
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=61355

- this Choppa
viewtopic.php?t=61182

- this Mara
viewtopic.php?t=61149

about them not playing the game correctly.

Obviously, seeing that you play all of these three classes you are more than welcome to explain to these lost players what they do wrong the same way as you did to WH/WE's despite you do not play stealthers but seem very knowledgeable about how to.

Why are you b**ching so much?

Not only he was talking about completely different issue that you fully ignored with your post you proceed to further troll with some weird takes of why he didnt comment vanity solo roaming clips made for bragging. Like wut??!

Claim made that people misunderstand their class role is completely valid. I also observe tons of WH/WE breaking formations, literally griefing their own team mates, going stealthed alone far into backline out of tank/heal reach and try to solo someone there and then get KD'ed and deleted within 2 seconds. Thats happens way too often in SCs and warbands, very rarely you may encounter a player who just plays the class how its designed - as MDPS, supported by guard, heals, peeling where it should be peeling and not 150ft away from group. Many just cant grasp a simple fact that stealth is a gap closer itself, not all this fancy shadows prowling "assasin" playstyle you get in single player games.

You yourself is a good example of that according to your posts explaining how you expect WH to be played in warbands. You may like whatever way you want to play, gather up any kind of offmeta groups and playstyles but dont expect your whine to be taken anyhow seriously when you try to present it as "an expert opinion about overall WH performance overview". Issue is that warband leaders are not taking not exactly WHs, they not taking players who zealiotlessly believe their playstyle is to "sneaking around enemy wb" and then "reappearing" somewhere 200ft away from warband, they neither waste a spot for players who believe that "scouting" is a legit gameplay.

In harsh reality you seem to fully deny there are people Alubert mention who form up valid party compositions and play around WH/WE. Thats possible and meta. And they have no performance issues with 30 second stealth, believe me.

As soon as there are some opinions, facts, data or anything that contradicts your "pov" you start b**ching like a kid (AI opinion, stealth, warbands etc). Just grow up...

[mazi761111]

For some reason I don’t understand, people misunderstand these two classes. They think they should play them solo, and even when they’re in SC, they still act that way—but that’s not how it works. This is a team game, and for a WE/WH to get kills, they have to do exactly what other DPS do: play as a team and assist.
That’s where the difference lies. Good WE/WH players know this, which is why they’re doing great after the changes, while others are complaining as usual.

Fascinating post! We will do it since now.

By the way Mr. Hypocrite you missed following forum topics to give your lecture to

- this Rp
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=61355

- this Choppa
viewtopic.php?t=61182

- this Mara
viewtopic.php?t=61149

about them not playing the game correctly.

Obviously, seeing that you play all of these three classes you are more than welcome to explain to these lost players what they do wrong the same way as you did to WH/WE's despite you do not play stealthers but seem very knowledgeable about how to.

Why are you b**ching so much?

Not only he was talking about completely different issue that you fully ignored with your post you proceed to further troll with some weird takes of why he didnt comment vanity solo roaming clips made for bragging. Like wut??!

Claim made that people misunderstand their class role is completely valid. I also observe tons of WH/WE breaking formations, literally griefing their own team mates, going stealthed alone far into backline out of tank/heal reach and try to solo someone there and then get KD'ed and deleted within 2 seconds. Thats happens way too often in SCs and warbands, very rarely you may encounter a player who just plays the class how its designed - as MDPS, supported by guard, heals, peeling where it should be peeling and not 150ft away from group. Many just cant grasp a simple fact that stealth is a gap closer itself, not all this fancy shadows prowling "assasin" playstyle you get in single player games.

You yourself is a good example of that according to your posts explaining how you expect WH to be played in warbands. You may like whatever way you want to play, gather up any kind of offmeta groups and playstyles but dont expect your whine to be taken anyhow seriously when you try to present it as "an expert opinion about overall WH performance overview". Issue is that warband leaders are not taking not exactly WHs, they not taking players who zealiotlessly believe their playstyle is to "sneaking around enemy wb" and then "reappearing" somewhere 200ft away from warband, they neither waste a spot for players who believe that "scouting" is a legit gameplay.

In harsh reality you seem to fully deny there are people Alubert mention who form up valid party compositions and play around WH/WE. Thats possible and meta. And they have no performance issues with 30 second stealth, believe me.

As soon as there are some opinions, facts, data or anything that contradicts your "pov" you start b**ching like a kid (AI opinion, stealth, warbands etc). Just grow up...

I noticed that you like to belittle solo players. At least others have the courage. Do you have the guts? You only talk about theoretical knowledge here to comment on others.

[Feodorovna]

I noticed that you like to belittle solo players. At least others have the courage. Do you have the guts? You only talk about theoretical knowledge here to comment on others.

it takes way more courage to come here and argue with clueless solo roamers than solo roaming lol respect to alu and noct wasting their time with negative kd players that never played sc, 6man or 6v6. xd

[abezverkhiy]

I seriously do not know who this angry kid is. Always attacking me, never revealing who he is. A person without name tells someone to grow up. Lol. Chicken. Probably WE/WH's abused him often.

[nocturnalguest]

you like to belittle solo players

In your case there is an obvious language barrier but ill try to put it as simple as i can - i have no issues with solo players. I have issues with misinformation presented in a way of "expert" opinion put in a way that its easily readable as ultimate truth, i have issues with cluelessness and ignorance. I have alot of issues with a fact that forum is overrepresented with solo players whining about classes or abilities disregarding rest of game modes. With this i have issues, but it has nothing to do with players. If you spend a tiny bit of effort and just go thru my post history you will find me explaining myself numerous times and my pov about solo roaming playstyle too. What you will not find there is "belittling".

I admit, however, that i use words that trigger and put sentences in a way that will create emotions to increase the involvement part, provoke meaningless answers and make the other side showcase itself. Thats a bit of social manipulation but i see no other effective ways to highlight things i find important considering all the factors (toxicity, cluelessness, lack of basic game knowledge, fragile egos etc). My line of thinking in this case that many threads and posts on forum regarding balance coming solely from solo playstyle perspective are very harmful for community as a whole. They contribute very much into creating myths and urban legends (absorb prevent crit, WH cant contribute in warband etc, IB/BG worst tank, list is actually very long) and missrepresent the game as its endgame is solo roaming being the only skillful playstyle (this myth is especially boosted). Myths and urban legends creates a layer of players who cant be arsed to learn themselves and repeat them as axiom. All this leads into general decrease of skillful organised team gameplay which i like and consider most important being very unique for PvP MMOs currently on a market.

No, it doesnt mean that solo gameplay should perish, no, it doesnt mean that i hate solo players, no, it doesnt mean that there should be only meta playstyle and nothing more.

So i dont post to "belittle" anyone, i post to keep another valid pov present in public discussions and i do it in semiprovocative way to be sure it wouldnt be just scrolled down. I know for sure there are many people in "read only" mode, some of them didnt commit to learn game but play sometimes, i also know for a fact many relay on public opinions before commiting and a simple fact that there is a discussion and not everything is painted into doom and misery in dying game that clueless devs lead into abyss (according to many solo roamers posts here on forums). Thats why i do posts and thats the auditory i try to reach.

Hope it helps.

Oh, small update, i miss out few points made to make myself clear:
1. Theoretical knowledge. I will gladly share and go case by case any practice knowledge as well but only if im sure a person is honestly interested and is not using it for obvious trolling. Im a regular lazy daddy who happen to have some time at work to waste here, so dont get me wrong im completely not interested into debates/educating anyone who is not willing to. So if you wish that i gather up a warband specifically to clip a video of how to play WH in proper group setting because someone is wrong on the ethernets i obviously will not do that for a regular forum dweller, im not insane enough
2. Vanity solo roaming clips made for bragging. In case you got triggered by that part you need to know that i dont say its something bad to do. I enjoy watching some of them myself. If anyone, you including, would be completely honest with reasonings to make those clips the way i name it will be perfectly describing motivation. It doesnt automatically means that there are any bad intensions and it doesnt mean that vanity or bragging are bad words in this case. Bragging is one of the very improtant factors for MMO retention that is usually encouraged by design (shareable achievements, ToK etc).