Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

[kpihuss]

Weekly Shield WP

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Period: 31/07 to 03/08

Global dataset:
Scenarios downloaded:          2,278
Scoreboard entries:           42,751
Sigmar's Will detections:        590
Scenarios with Shield WP:         182

Level 40 period-detected Shield WP:
Entries: 147
Players:  13

Minimum sample filter:

* Minimum 3 comparable SCs per player
* Removed entries:   6
* Removed players:   4

Final comparable sample:
Entries:    58
Players:     7
Scenarios:  57

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Entries excluded from healer-relative tables:

No other Order healer in the same SC: 1

Metric definitions

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Heal%     = Shield WP Heal/min vs other Order healers
HealO%    = Shield WP Heal others/min vs other Order healers
ProtO%    = Shield WP protection to others vs other Order healers
ProtRecv% = Shield WP protection received vs other Order healers
Deaths%   = Shield WP deaths vs other Order healers
Dmg%      = Shield WP damage vs average active DPS
KillDmg%  = Shield WP kill damage vs average active DPS kill damage

Global result

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SC  WP  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%  HealO/min  HealO%
58   7  77.4  29.3%    14.04k  98.7%     10.81k   86.2%

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Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%  Kill%  Dmg/Heal
32.80k  47.3%   10.48k     44.9%  32.0%     31.8%

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ProtO/min  ProtO%  ProtRecv/min  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%
1.70k   66.0%         3.91k     201.7%     0.8   146.7%

Res  SelfProt
0.5     55.6%

By player

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Player        SC  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO/min  HealO%
Pxxxxxxxxxxx  21  73.6  19.0%    13.13k   82.3%      9.91k   70.5%
Rxxxxx        10  90.0  30.0%    16.15k  125.1%     13.26k  116.8%
Hxxxx          7  57.1  28.6%    17.15k  106.4%     13.14k   95.2%
Uxxxx          6  82.0  50.0%     9.21k   78.2%      6.06k   57.5%
Axxxxx         5  85.0   0.0%    16.88k  114.7%     14.06k  108.1%
Yxxxxxxxxxx    5  77.0  60.0%    10.10k   60.5%      7.39k   49.2%
Kxxxxx         4  85.0  50.0%    16.79k  173.7%     12.59k  150.4%

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Player        Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%
Pxxxxxxxxxxx  28.74k  42.7%   10.29k     40.1%
Rxxxxx        34.12k  51.0%   12.21k     57.1%
Hxxxx         26.40k  35.0%    4.04k     24.4%
Uxxxx         56.93k  78.7%   14.19k     56.7%
Axxxxx        22.30k  40.4%    9.77k     53.2%
Yxxxxxxxxxx   28.76k  33.9%    8.41k     33.0%
Kxxxxx        43.96k  63.2%   16.36k     63.1%

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Player        ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%  Res
Pxxxxxxxxxxx    16.7%     172.3%     0.8   124.1%  0.5
Rxxxxx          76.3%     362.5%     0.4   100.0%  0.8
Hxxxx          176.6%     168.7%     0.6   457.1%  0.6
Uxxxx           28.4%     308.0%     2.7   228.6%  0.7
Axxxxx         192.3%     175.0%     0.0     0.0%  0.2
Yxxxxxxxxxx      0.0%     232.7%     1.0   200.0%  0.2
Kxxxxx          76.7%      84.9%     0.5    71.4%  0.2

By day

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Day    SC  WP  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
31/07  14   3  76.7  35.7%    14.15k  103.1%   89.8%
01/08  24   5  85.2  33.3%    13.74k  107.3%   95.8%
02/08  20   3  68.5  20.0%    14.33k   85.3%   72.9%

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Day    Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%
31/07  42.6%     43.9%   43.2%     101.3%     0.7    83.3%
01/08  56.0%     53.5%   72.5%     257.5%     1.0   167.7%
02/08  40.8%     35.8%   67.4%     252.5%     0.8   242.3%

By RR bracket

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RR     SC  WP  Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
50-59   7   1  28.6%    17.15k  106.4%   95.2%
70-79  26   2  26.9%    12.54k   77.9%   66.1%
80-89  15   3  33.3%    13.79k  114.9%   98.6%
90+    10   1  30.0%    16.15k  125.1%  116.8%

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RR     Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%
50-59  35.0%     24.4%  176.6%     168.7%     0.6   457.1%
70-79  40.6%     38.8%   13.2%     182.5%     0.8   136.3%
80-89  63.8%     57.8%   85.4%     172.5%     1.2   157.2%
90+    51.0%     57.1%   76.3%     362.5%     0.4   100.0%

By scenario size

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Players  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
12-17     1   1    28.07k  226.7%  216.9%
18-23     6   3    10.44k   86.5%   67.1%
24       39   7    14.53k   93.4%   82.3%
25-35    12   5    13.11k  111.6%   99.0%

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Players  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
12-17    66.8%     49.5%   36.4%    1080.1%    50.0%
18-23    45.9%     37.2%   17.9%     157.0%   300.0%
24       46.7%     43.3%   62.0%     215.7%   132.5%
25-35    44.0%     52.0%  103.3%     151.6%   127.6%

By number of Order healers

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Order healers  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
<=3            29   7    14.10k   78.2%   66.7%
4-5            27   7    14.03k  112.1%  100.2%
6+              2   1    13.38k  130.8%  110.2%

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Order healers  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
<=3            46.2%     42.0%   54.6%     267.2%   150.5%
4-5            48.8%     48.0%   79.9%     190.7%   109.1%
6+             37.5%     52.0%   45.7%     171.4%   550.0%

Short reading

After requiring at least 3 comparable SCs per player, the final sample is:

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Comparable Shield WP entries: 58
Players:                       7
Scenarios:                    57

The global result is:

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Heal/min vs other Order healers:         98.7%
Heal others/min vs other Order healers:  86.2%

Damage vs average active DPS:            47.3%
Kill damage vs average active DPS:       44.9%

Protection to others vs Order healers:   66.0%
Protection received vs Order healers:   201.7%
Deaths vs Order healers:                146.7%
Win rate:                                29.3%

[kpihuss]

Weekly Shield WP

Sample

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Period: 07/08 to 10/08 (Note: Killboard is down from 06/08 to 08/08)

Global dataset:
Scenarios downloaded:        1,551
Scoreboard entries:         25,319
Sigmar's Will detections:      338
Scenarios with Shield WP:       111

Filters used

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Shield WP healer/support entry:

* Level 40
* Warrior Priest
* Sigmar's Will damage confirmed inside the same scenario
* Healing > damage
* Damage >= 10% of healing
* Damage >= 10% of average active DPS damage in the same scenario
* Minimum 3 comparable SCs per player
  

Comparison rules

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Order healer comparison:

* Only Order healers
* WP, AM, RP
* Shield WP entries excluded from the Order healer average
* Entries with no other Order healer are excluded from relative healer comparisons

DPS comparison:

* Level 40 active DPS in the same scenarios
  

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Heal%     = Shield WP Heal/min vs other Order healers
HealO%    = Shield WP Heal others/min vs other Order healers
ProtO%    = Shield WP protection to others vs other Order healers
ProtRecv% = Shield WP protection received vs other Order healers
Deaths%   = Shield WP deaths vs other Order healers
Dmg%      = Shield WP damage vs average active DPS
KillDmg%  = Shield WP kill damage vs average active DPS kill damage

Global result

All tables below use only the final comparable sample.

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SC  WP  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%  HealO/min  HealO%
24   4  83.6  79.2%  17.02k    88.7%  12.97k     78.6%

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Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%  Kill%  Dmg/Heal
31.42k  37.7%  10.44k   43.0%     33.2%  29.3%

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ProtO/min  ProtO%  ProtRecv/min  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%  Res  SelfProt
1.89k      46.3%   4.00k         267.2%     1.0     131.4%   0.3  58.0%

By player

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Player   SC  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO/min  HealO%
Kpihuss  12  90.0  83.3%  16.43k    83.2%   11.35k     64.7%
Sxxxxxx   6  81.0  66.7%  17.37k    91.2%   15.29k     92.5%
Kxxxxx    3  85.0 100.0%  19.58k   209.0%   15.01k    176.9%
Mxxxx     3  62.0  66.7%  16.17k    59.7%   12.76k     62.9%

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Player   Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%
Kpihuss  33.07k  39.4%   9.47k    40.5%     47.5%   286.9%
Sxxxxxx  33.32k  40.1%  12.39k    55.1%      9.1%   457.7%
Kxxxxx   28.92k  42.8%  10.95k    47.8%     88.8%   312.7%
Mxxxx    23.51k  24.4%   9.92k    30.3%    142.8%   126.6%

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Player   Deaths  Deaths%  Res
Kpihuss   1.2    187.5%   0.5
Sxxxxxx   0.2     22.2%   0.0
Kxxxxx    0.7     66.7%   0.3
Mxxxx     1.7    250.0%   0.0

By RR bracket

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RR     SC  WP  Win%   Heal/min  Heal%  HealO%
60-69   3   1  66.7%  16.17k    59.7%  62.9%
80-89   9   2  77.8%  18.10k   114.4% 109.8%
90+    12   1  83.3%  16.43k    83.2%  64.7%

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RR     Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%
60-69  24.4%   30.3%   142.8%   126.6%     1.7     250.0%
80-89  40.9%   52.6%    15.5%   450.8%     0.3      40.0%
90+    39.4%   40.5%    47.5%   286.9%     1.2     187.5%

By scenario size

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Players  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%  HealO%
12-17     3   2  15.59k    109.1% 111.9%
18-23    18   4  18.26k     86.5%  76.0%
24        3   1  11.01k     88.2%  72.5%

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Players  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
12-17    37.1%   45.9%   129.9%    35.7%     100.0%
18-23    37.3%   46.6%    38.3%   372.3%     160.0%
24       41.1%   24.9%   121.8%   489.8%     114.3%

By number of Order healers

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Order healers  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%  HealO%
<=3            23   4  17.53k    90.1%  80.4%
4-5             1   1   5.45k    41.4%  23.4%

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Order healers  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
<=3            38.4%   42.7%    46.7%   267.8%     127.3%
4-5            23.6%   53.0%    23.2%   215.1%     200.0%

The global result is:

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Heal/min vs other Order healers:         88.7%
Heal others/min vs other Order healers:  78.6%

Damage vs average active DPS:            37.7%
Kill damage vs average active DPS:       43.0%

Protection to others vs Order healers:   46.3%
Protection received vs Order healers:   267.2%
Deaths vs Order healers:                131.4%
Winrate = 79,2%

The sample is heavily concentrated in The Ironclad, so I would avoid overreading scenario-size or day-based splits.
We can see that in enclosed spaces where he should be the king of combat, he still heals less than other healers, although his win rate has been quite good.

[kpihuss]

Weekly Shield WP report - 14/08 to 17/08

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Shield WP validation:

* Level 40 Warrior Priest
* Sigmar's Will damage confirmed inside that exact scenario
* WP damage >= 20% of the average damage of level 40 active DPS in the same scenario
* The player must have at least 3 valid scenarios after applying the previous filters

The 17/08 is only a partial day because the extraction was made around midday.

Sample

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Period: 14/08 to 17/08

Global dataset:
Scenarios downloaded:          4,047
Scoreboard entries:           81,876
Sigmar's Will detections:        473
Scenarios with detected WP:      254

Level 40 detected Shield WP entries:
Entries: 187
Players: 14

Strict same-scenario Sigmar's Will:
Entries: 71
Players: 14

After >=20% active DPS damage filter:
Entries: 65
Players: 13

After minimum 3 valid SCs per player:
Entries: 55
Players: 6

Comparable entries vs other Order healers:
Entries:   53
Players:    6
Scenarios: 51

Two otherwise valid Shield WP entries had no other Order healer available in the same scenario, so they are excluded only from the relative healer comparisons.

Comparison rules

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Order healer comparison:

* Order only
* WP, AM and RP
* Healer entries
* Valid Shield WP entries excluded
* Compared against the average of the other Order healers in the same scenario

DPS comparison:

* Level 40 active DPS
* Same scenario
  

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Heal%     = Shield WP Heal/min vs other Order healers
HealO%    = Shield WP Heal others/min vs other Order healers
ProtO%    = Shield WP protection to others/min vs other Order healers
ProtRecv% = Shield WP protection received/min vs other Order healers
Deaths%   = Shield WP deaths vs other Order healers
Dmg%      = Shield WP damage vs average active DPS
KillDmg%  = Shield WP kill damage vs average active DPS kill damage

Global result

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SC  WP  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO/min  HealO%
53   6  73.2  62.3%  13.12k    97.5%   9.96k      85.2%

Offensive contribution

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Damage   Dmg%   Kill damage   KillDmg%   KillDmg/Dmg   Dmg/Heal
32.87k   50.6%  11.86k        47.4%      36.1%         33.7%

Protection and defensive dependency

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ProtO/min  ProtO%   ProtRecv/min  ProtRecv%   Deaths  Deaths%   Res   SelfProt
0.97k      39.4%    3.77k         381.7%      0.87    107.3%    0.43  72.9%

Survivability

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Shield WP deaths:        0.87
Deaths vs other healers: 107.3%

By RR bracket

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RR     SC  WP   Heal%   HealO%   Dmg%   KillDmg%   ProtO%   ProtRecv%   Deaths%
50-59  15   1    65.7%    58.9%   41.0%    31.0%      32.9%     305.6%      134.2%
60-69   6   1    87.5%    82.9%   42.1%    43.4%      87.8%     256.7%       50.0%
70-79   8   1   105.1%    96.6%   48.8%    35.1%      21.2%     366.8%       51.7%
80-89  14   2    80.8%    62.5%   66.6%    80.0%      13.4%     413.2%      148.6%
90+    10   1   164.3%   145.2%   51.5%    39.6%      56.3%     549.8%       87.9%

[Mortgrimm]

@Rydiak
You have a really good guide for shield priest. But it´s a bit outdated. A lot of changes after the healer rework. Double hd ...
What do you think we all do wrong? It´s a fact that shield priest only deals 1/3 of the dmg the dps 2h does. Also the healing output is quiet low for the fact u stay in frontline. It´s made for small scale but even there it doesn´t really work. Either revert double hd or make lifetap healing stronger.
Maybe it´s time to get rid of the shield build and completely rework the melee healer.

[nailinthehead]

What about changing base healing from "on hit" to "on attack"? If it can be healdebuffed like a casted heal, why shouldn't it behave like one? You still would have to be in melee range, so I guess it won't break the melee healer idea.

[Panzerkasper]

What about changing base healing from "on hit" to "on attack"? If it can be healdebuffed like a casted heal, why shouldn't it behave like one? You still would have to be in melee range, so I guess it won't break the melee healer idea.

YES, this is a good idea!

Imagine you play any cast-healer and the enemy could just disrupt your heals! People would go nuts over this and would stop playing healers en masse, yet somehow the melee WP has to deal with this.

I am all against the suggestions to remove the shield spec completely, I think it fits pretty nice into the 3 Trees and also Book/Chalice healing is probably the most boring thing you can play in this game, next to full-def IB maybe.

Shield WP is fun, it's engaging and such a breath of fresh air. Yet still, it is so underperfoming compared to cast-healers.

[fatelvis]

What about changing base healing from "on hit" to "on attack"? If it can be healdebuffed like a casted heal, why shouldn't it behave like one? You still would have to be in melee range, so I guess it won't break the melee healer idea.

The "regular" heal part of the melee heal skills (affected by HDs) already always applies afaik, whether or not the attack hit or was parried/blocked.
The lifeleech part need the skill to hit to deal dmg to translate into the partial heal.

[Mortgrimm]

Yep, the base heal goes through anyway but is effected by double heal debuff. So most of the time it almost heals nothing. Lifetap needs dmg. If your opponent blocks/parries your attack, there is no lifetap. I think this combination makes it hard to heal, survive and get your party alive.
As we have hd in game, it should also work on shield priest. Why not? But the suggestion to change to "on attack" sounds good. This can only work for the base heal. Lifetap is a different story. Without dmg no heal. On the other hand you can´t just make it undefendable. Imagine there is noone with hd ... Then you play god mode. The lifetap modifier needs adjustment.

[nailinthehead]

Ok, I stand corrected about the heal part working even without a hit. So accepting the double HD mirroring regular heals, either the base heal value should be increased (it can't crit unlike a regular heal) or the lifetap's mechanics should be adjusted to compensate this shortcoming. Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I don't know the current formula, but aren't lifetaps affected by armor+tough+absorb+guard? What if we removed guard from the equation? Applied dmg would remain reduced but it could boost the healing a little bit.

[leftayparxoun]

either the base heal value should be increased (it can't crit unlike a regular heal)

The direct heal portion of the lifetap abilities can crit and uses the offensive crit stat on top of a baseline 10% crit chance (similar to other heal abilities).

Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I don't know the current formula, but aren't lifetaps affected by armor+tough+absorb+guard? What if we removed guard from the equation? Applied dmg would remain reduced but it could boost the healing a little bit.

The lifetap portion indeed is proportionate to the damage dealt, which, besides others, is a function of the target's armor + Toughness + dmg% reductions.
I don't think it's possible to "remove guard" for the calculation of the lifetap, let alone JUST the heal that comes from the lifetap ability. At best you could make Detaunts less effective/completely ineffective against lifetap abilities (see Choppa/SL, Kotbs/BG tactics), but that conditional effect might be quite hard to code and should also lead to a Dps increase for shield healers which is probably not intended.

If some lifetap skills are to be adjusted, imo it should be in their values and not in their fundamental functions.