Maybe a nerf sledgehammer to WE isnt a good idea?

[M0rw47h]

WH have only BAL, which dont have burst potential (its hit around 400-500 per tick) !

It hits harder thru detaunt...

[Shogun4138]

What finishers do WEs have that are effective? Or even worthwhile?

RA.. 5ft channel and weak
OYK.. more utility than anything
Puncture.. historically weak
WB.. boring and basically equivalent to BAL
SaC.. cant count the times it's been nerfed. Mediocre but need to slap something besides AW

Our low armor just takes one debuff and we are pretty much armor less.
Pounce... Well at least it's not just popcorn WL using it.

Stealth timer reduced, this will just add down time for WE/WH players. I get why people want this. They will have the advantage to pre hot, pre cc, and in general a massive edge. My opinion but roll WEs back to pre mdps patch.

[Narfii]

If stealth is going to be 30s it should have the tactic innately. Make the tactic apply to the whole group. Now you've balanced stealth AND provided group utility for the witch elf. As it is it doesn't appear the devs actually want to address why welf is bad in bands, just nerf it's solo play.

Stealth classes are utility control classes and yet the class has no aoe debuff, provides no group buffs, a very clunky slow, and no baseline interrupt that is indiscriminate of immunities.

Simply giving the class a couple mediocre aoe damage options and calling it a day is surface level game design. Hopefully the keep and campaign rework brings some depth to the otherwise shallow pool of lines of play you're really offered in the lakes.

[Amakusa]

Stealth is still going to be better than the version we had on the live server.

[abezverkhiy]

Stealth is still going to be better than the version we had on the live server.

Not sure where you see it better. Same duration, same cast, same cooldown. New stealth will be breaking on damage. Where do you see it better?

I think WHs and WEs will be taking Protection from Heresy and Enveloping Shadows respectively more often.

Our mobility and ability to slow down targets is poor as stated above. If we were able to 'sit' on a target better we would take these nerfs with lighter hearts.

[Nauht]

Stealth is still going to be better than the version we had on the live server.

And?

Just because it was this way or that on live 13 years ago doesn’t really impact on how it is for RoR currently.

But it is what it is. I'll adapt with both my WH and WE and if I don't like it, I'll just play another class or game. /shrug.

[Amakusa]

Stealth is still going to be better than the version we had on the live server.

Not sure where you see it better. Same duration, same cast, same cooldown. New stealth will be breaking on damage. Where do you see it better?

I think WHs and WEs will be taking Protection from Heresy and Enveloping Shadows respectively more often.

Our mobility and ability to slow down targets is poor as stated above. If we were able to 'sit' on a target better we would take these nerfs with lighter hearts.

WE and WH had Weapons with "on hit" snare procc, in Ror we only have a snare procc on "beeing hit".
Bring Weapons back with this procc pls :9

[abezverkhiy]

yeah, this would be good. so far I can only recall Penitence with "on being hit" proc

[salazarn]

Apart from the stealth duration nerf the changes are almost entirely justified.

Regen welf is incredibly obnoxious and makes people not want to roam, certainly not in 0-9 zones.

Honestly I wouldn't mind if welf/ wh got some buffs to 'total crap' talents to make up for it, but regen welf needed to be hit.

[Kyouaku]

Apart from the stealth duration nerf the changes are almost entirely justified.

Regen welf is incredibly obnoxious and makes people not want to roam, certainly not in 0-9 zones.

Honestly I wouldn't mind if welf/ wh got some buffs to 'total crap' talents to make up for it, but regen welf needed to be hit.

This post is about sac stab nerf being absurd and how it may be a bad idea to hit a class super hard from abunch of different angles at once, I do agree def WE is too good, but they dont use sac stab, they use withbrew because it does not scale much with stats.

WHs Burn away lies does around 4x it's damage, and while it has that nice slow and it's damage is consistent because it pens armor, it's a drastically weaker skill then the WH equivelent, and to have it nerfed like this is insane.

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/68014194

It's damage is already so meh most of the time, look at how my peirce armor hit harder then it did and thats jsut a 10 sec CD frenzy builder skill lol

it's only a 16% chance to double crit for the large numbers on a BiS glass cannon WE, and the number is even lower if they build into anti crit... to lower that damage and the utility a lot just seems so out of left field.... Yeah Regen build is stupid, but this skill is underpowered as it is.... WE finishers really suck, to make both of the two decent ones worse just seems uncisary