[PTS] Patch Notes 23/07/2026 - RDPS Patch and New Scenario Mechanic

[rorswar]

WE/WH didn't lose anything they didn't deserve (especially WE).
I just don't understand why so many players are convinced that these classes are somehow special and had to have access to all those things.
WE/WH are no different from other mdps, and good players have always played them just like regular mdps.
Solo players—it’s your choice to play solo in a team-based game, so just accept it.
You complain about weaker defense, so what’s an SL or Choppa supposed to say when, after a debuff, they have less armor than a WE or WH and don’t have defensive options like guaranteed Disrupt, Self-Punt, or Shadow?

Well obviously well deserved as 2nd and 3d on solo kills. 1st newly created rdps healer specs have 3k+ solo kills wo a single death must be skill

So because another class has more solo kills, WEs should get any nerfs?

No. People are already stating, and have been so for months, that rDPS healers need toning down as well - especially DPS RPs. It's odd that that hasn't happened in this patch, but it's also not a reason not to tone down WEs (and WHs to a lesser extent). At the same time, bottom tiers like Slayer etc etc should be brought up a notch.

[Shogun4138]

WE/WH didn't lose anything they didn't deserve (especially WE).
I just don't understand why so many players are convinced that these classes are somehow special and had to have access to all those things.
WE/WH are no different from other mdps, and good players have always played them just like regular mdps.
Solo players—it’s your choice to play solo in a team-based game, so just accept it.
You complain about weaker defense, so what’s an SL or Choppa supposed to say when, after a debuff, they have less armor than a WE or WH and don’t have defensive options like guaranteed Disrupt, Self-Punt, or Shadow?

Well obviously well deserved as 2nd and 3d on solo kills. 1st newly created rdps healer specs have 3k+ solo kills wo a single death must be skill

So because another class has more solo kills, WEs should get any nerfs?

No. People are already stating, and have been so for months, that rDPS healers need toning down as well - especially DPS RPs. It's odd that that hasn't happened in this patch, but it's also not a reason not to tone down WEs (and WHs to a lesser extent). At the same time, bottom tiers like Slayer etc etc should be brought up a notch.

Look, we get it. You have single handedly made more 80rr WEs.

30 sec stealth is ridiculous. Its the main mechanic in a stealth class. The fact that you have made it your personal mission to attack stealth classes 8s self evident.

[Bozzax]

WE/WH didn't lose anything they didn't deserve (especially WE).
I just don't understand why so many players are convinced that these classes are somehow special and had to have access to all those things.
WE/WH are no different from other mdps, and good players have always played them just like regular mdps.
Solo players—it’s your choice to play solo in a team-based game, so just accept it.
You complain about weaker defense, so what’s an SL or Choppa supposed to say when, after a debuff, they have less armor than a WE or WH and don’t have defensive options like guaranteed Disrupt, Self-Punt, or Shadow?

Well obviously well deserved as 2nd and 3d on solo kills. 1st newly created rdps healer specs have 3k+ solo kills wo a single death must be skill

So because another class has more solo kills, WEs should get any nerfs?

No. People are already stating, and have been so for months, that rDPS healers need toning down as well - especially DPS RPs. It's odd that that hasn't happened in this patch, but it's also not a reason not to tone down WEs (and WHs to a lesser extent). At the same time, bottom tiers like Slayer etc etc should be brought up a notch.

Yeah WH got lucky they are as effective as WE more or less (Solo)

Btw Choppa display worse results then Slayer in solo (kind of small player base on them tho about a 1/3 of we / wh)

[doky]

What is the proper way to leave PTS feedback? just here? looks messy

[ravezaar]

What is the proper way to leave PTS feedback? just here? looks messy

Guess ppl can leave feedback but think there minds are set, doubt they change the notes at this point mainly looking for Bugs and Issues

[gisborne]

Apparently I was a bigger problem than Vaporisor's Runepriest build? LOL

Imagine a melee class gutted in a RANGED patch.

I guess Vaporisor kiting 6 people on low cooldowns from 100 ft was less of a threat than a melee class with 5 ft abilities lol, high quality memepost by the way

This pretty much says it all. The game is going Range meta, get used to it. I don't even main a wh/we and can't fathom how they decided to nerf that class in the RDPS patch and not touch 2 of the most imbalanced classes (dps zealot / rp) of the archtype.

I don't get this take. I go out in the lakes all the time to catch up to my WB and you know who I get attacked by? WE and SH. Not Zealots.

[gisborne]

Apparently I was a bigger problem than Vaporisor's Runepriest build? LOL

Imagine a melee class gutted in a RANGED patch.

I guess Vaporisor kiting 6 people on low cooldowns from 100 ft was less of a threat than a melee class with 5 ft abilities lol, high quality memepost by the way

This pretty much says it all. The game is going Range meta, get used to it. I don't even main a wh/we and can't fathom how they decided to nerf that class in the RDPS patch and not touch 2 of the most imbalanced classes (dps zealot / rp) of the archtype.

Time to start complaining about the Runepriest on the forums. Since whining to the devs clearly works wonders for Witch Elf, let's redirect that community outrage and get our turn at the nerf bat.The PlanCopy the Strategy: Use the exact same forum pounding tactics that just gutted Witch Elf.Target the Runepriest: Shift all focus and complaints toward Order healing and utility.Demand Results: Wait for the developers to cave and swing the nerf bat their way next.

Good luck with that. The only ppl who care about solo RP are other solo tryhards who finally have a fight they don't automatically win. Meanwhile I have no doubt WE and rSH will continue to infest this game picking off low rank players just trying to get to their WB.

[gisborne]

Well done ninjaing in another senseless armor (talisman) nerf, from 180 to 80 now (or w/e it is, pure is 100 lol).
That's what happens when you approach something complex with only math values, like Vogon bureaucracy at its best.
And most likely it will keep getting worse with Armor Set changes/"normalization"...
If you keep reducing defenses, might as well play healers naked.

They should have removed armor and resist talismans long ago. They are the only non-stat talismans and armor in particular causes issues because of % armor increasing abilities. They should also remove armor bonuses from armor sets.

If you are concerned about the lack of defense, you should be advocating for toughness and initiative to not suck like they still do. They are the worst stats in the game. Tanks use them simply because there's no other stat that does anything for them.

[Bozzax]

This pretty much says it all. The game is going Range meta, get used to it. I don't even main a wh/we and can't fathom how they decided to nerf that class in the RDPS patch and not touch 2 of the most imbalanced classes (dps zealot / rp) of the archtype.

Time to start complaining about the Runepriest on the forums. Since whining to the devs clearly works wonders for Witch Elf, let's redirect that community outrage and get our turn at the nerf bat.The PlanCopy the Strategy: Use the exact same forum pounding tactics that just gutted Witch Elf.Target the Runepriest: Shift all focus and complaints toward Order healing and utility.Demand Results: Wait for the developers to cave and swing the nerf bat their way next.

Good luck with that. The only ppl who care about solo RP are other solo tryhards who finally have a fight they don't automatically win. Meanwhile I have no doubt WE and rSH will continue to infest this game picking off low rank players just trying to get to their WB.

I guess some care since RP has an automatically win build in solo and is the most effective class 1v1 (on average)

[gisborne]

I am suspicious that stealth guys are net negative for the community, serving only the means to annoy everyone. You open any sov WE/WH armory profile and the first thing you see is bunch of solo kills on 19/20 guys. Do we really need this stuff? Whats the purpose of this?

Stealth is a toxic mechanic that for some reason has been an MMO PvP staple. I suspect it's because developers want to attract as many players as they can, and stealth draws in the griefers (a significant portion of the PvP populace).

Lets be honest, PvP tends to be a zero-sum game. Every time you are having fun winning, someone is not having fun losing. That's not a recipe for long-term success and the most successful PvP games happen to be PvE games with a dash of PvP on the side.