Zealor or Magus

[dukamamuka]

Who is better as a dps? Who can make all content WB, sc|smallscale, and Solo?

[M0rw47h]

Magus

[Pahakukka]

When I have had magus/zeal duo. Zealot has been at same level of dmg but with high heal and protection.

Most of it is probably due to backloaded burst of magus does not habe time to kick in propely, but its still disturbingly close. As we are comparing offspec healer and actual dps class

[gisborne]

When I have had magus/zeal duo. Zealot has been at same level of dmg but with high heal and protection.

Most of it is probably due to backloaded burst of magus does not habe time to kick in propely, but its still disturbingly close. As we are comparing offspec healer and actual dps class

How is it disturbing when you are comparing just single target dps? How's Zealot in AE dps? You'll notice this is a trend for all DPS healers: comparable single target dps, garbage AE dps.

[Pahakukka]

How its disturbing... I mean we are essentially comparing healer and dps here. Zealot might not out perform the dps but its very close doing so, kinda while having 1 hand in a pocket fumbling at something that is not his keys.

Aoe dps is kinda hard to compare as magus can just spread endless pande thro whole pairing and have gazillion dmg done with 1k kill contribution. But i reckon that in moving combat zealot does get very close even in aoe spec, but magus excels in funnels.

Not here to complain, but when asking which one to pick dps, we are in grey area where both are valid depending on situation. Dps zeal and rune is just that good atm.

[Pahakukka]

How its disturbing... I mean we are essentially comparing healer and dps here. Zealot might not out perform the dps but its very close doing so, kinda while having 1 hand in a pocket fumbling at something that is not his keys.

Aoe dps is kinda hard to compare as magus can just spread endless pande thro whole pairing and have gazillion dmg done with 1k kill contribution. But i reckon that in moving combat zealot does get very close even in aoe spec, but magus excels in funnels.

Not here to complain, but when asking which one to pick dps, we are in grey area where both are valid depending on situation. Dps zeal and rune is just that good atm.

I will add to my own post that I once had a bet with stink, that if he out dps my magus with his zealot ibwill delete the yellow one. After the buffs zealot and rp got I we had to scrap the bet as it was not so unthinkable scenario anymore and neither of us wanted to see my magus go

[Stinksuit]

Who is better as a dps? Who can make all content WB, sc|smallscale, and Solo?

"Who is better as a dps"

Ill base my comparison on numbers we have seen when playing with my dps zealot + Daewuurs magus.

For wb content its kinda the same and really depends what your wb wants or who you run with, for pug wb its definitely magus (since pug wb wont take dps zeal). For org wb it kinda depends if the wb lead wants to take debuffer dps zealot or a magus (maybe they want both). Pure dmg wise, zealot kinda does more when fight is mobile (orvr) and magus comes ahead in funnels.

For sc I would say magus is the better option, dps zeal can still do well but in my own opinion its better to bring heal zealot to sc/city.

Soloing its also kinda upto personal preference, theyre both incredibly good for solo, as Daewuur said earlier. Magus dmg is a bit more backloaded where as zealots is more frontloaded high burst. Which one is better for soloing? Imo theyre both equally good, it more depends on the match up that youre facing. Magus has more cc but zealot has one of the strongest dueling ability in the game (embrace, basically a guard/detaunt with added benefits).

At the end of the day, which one is better dps? Imo Magus since its an actual dps class. Zealot ofc has the bonus that if you wish to heal and not just dps you can do that so you kinda get 2 in 1 deal and also do remember that magus will still be affected by the rdps patch that is still coming so cant really say how will magus look like after that..

[Sanctific]

I'll add my 2 cents here as both Magus & Zeal player.

Itemization:
pre-bis magus (sov, annuli & such albeit no ring, still use sent)
Bis zeal

Guys above have already said about WB/solo/scs performance, which i agree with albeit not with the part where zeal does more aoe on the move (burst - yes, not the dps tho) but ill speak about raw DPS in a vacuum-clean environment of nuking those IC dummies.

Best median result on zeal: 1.1k ST dps, after multiple tries, experimenting with builds, doing some spreadsheet calculations & cheated a bit by uploading the said spreadsheet to a premium-subscription LLM to check if my theorycrafting has had any flaws (spoiler: appeared to be correct).

Spread of results on magus (total of ~20 dummy kills or so vs about a hundred dummy kills on zeal): 25-75% results were in 1.4k-1.7k ST dps range (the absolute best was 2k-ish but that was a super lucky dummy kill, nearly 80% crit rate). Downside - yeah, magus dps leans more to being backloaded, but very-very slightly (in comparison to zeal that is) and magus needs to be relatively stationary (zeal can be on a constant move apart from SOR usage).

My personal verdict (at the very least for myself): in terms of DPS alone magus would beat zeal, both in aoe & ST performance...albeit when it would come to the latter - magus would need to be in a "turret" mode.

P.S/Off-topic: Tried an RP on test realm with some weird, sub-optimal itemization due to the test server limitations in terms of available items (dont have an RP myself on live server): stable 1.35-1.45k (i.e. we may just round it to 1.4k median) frontloaded DPS with some extreme burst. Something isnt right there, especially when compared to zeal. However i really wouldnt want zeal to have that much of firepower, would be a cheat then (just as RPs are rn, fulmination in ST is deffo overperforming).

[Stinksuit]

I'll add my 2 cents here as both Magus & Zeal player.

Itemization:
pre-bis magus (sov, annuli & such albeit no ring, still use sent)
Bis zeal

Guys above have already said about WB/solo/scs performance, which i agree with albeit not with the part where zeal does more aoe on the move (burst - yes, not the dps tho) but ill speak about raw DPS in a vacuum-clean environment of nuking those IC dummies.

Best median result on zeal: 1.1k ST dps, after multiple tries, experimenting with builds, doing some spreadsheet calculations & cheated a bit by uploading the said spreadsheet to a premium-subscription LLM to check if my theorycrafting has had any flaws (spoiler: appeared to be correct).

Spread of results on magus (total of ~20 dummy kills or so vs about a hundred dummy kills on zeal): 25-75% results were in 1.4k-1.7k ST dps range (the absolute best was 2k-ish but that was a super lucky dummy kill, nearly 80% crit rate). Downside - yeah, magus dps leans more to being backloaded, but very-very slightly (in comparison to zeal that is) and magus needs to be relatively stationary (zeal can be on a constant move apart from SOR usage).

My personal verdict (at the very least for myself): in terms of DPS alone magus would beat zeal, both in aoe & ST performance...albeit when it would come to the latter - magus would need to be in a "turret" mode.

P.S/Off-topic: Tried an RP on test realm with some weird, sub-optimal itemization due to the test server limitations in terms of available items (dont have an RP myself on live server): stable 1.35-1.45k (i.e. we may just round it to 1.4k median) frontloaded DPS with some extreme burst. Something isnt right there, especially when compared to zeal. However i really wouldnt want zeal to have that much of firepower, would be a cheat then (just as RPs are rn, fulmination in ST is deffo overperforming).

Its actually nice that you mentioned some dummy dps numbers! Zealots 1.1k dps seems accurate to me aswell (for st). Zealot kinda shines with its 1s/3s burst rather than its overall dps imo. I have managed to do 10k+ 3s burst and ~7k 1s burst with my zealot. The overall aoe dps for zl vs magus might lean towards magus, its really hard to say imo theyre both so close to each other (unless its pure keep funnel). I dont know much about magus but just basing my judgement on numbers I've seen when in group with Daewuurs magus. I like zealots aoe build because you can spec into echo and also have some ST pressure even in aoe spec so its quite nice.

I also forgot to add that zealot kinda needs to be really geared if you wish to do any competitive numbers..

Ultimately I do think Magus is better out of the 2 but (atleast before rdps patch) theyre so close that id choose just aesthetics. :)

[Sanctific]

I'll add my 2 cents here as both Magus & Zeal player.

Itemization:
pre-bis magus (sov, annuli & such albeit no ring, still use sent)
Bis zeal

Guys above have already said about WB/solo/scs performance, which i agree with albeit not with the part where zeal does more aoe on the move (burst - yes, not the dps tho) but ill speak about raw DPS in a vacuum-clean environment of nuking those IC dummies.

Best median result on zeal: 1.1k ST dps, after multiple tries, experimenting with builds, doing some spreadsheet calculations & cheated a bit by uploading the said spreadsheet to a premium-subscription LLM to check if my theorycrafting has had any flaws (spoiler: appeared to be correct).

Spread of results on magus (total of ~20 dummy kills or so vs about a hundred dummy kills on zeal): 25-75% results were in 1.4k-1.7k ST dps range (the absolute best was 2k-ish but that was a super lucky dummy kill, nearly 80% crit rate). Downside - yeah, magus dps leans more to being backloaded, but very-very slightly (in comparison to zeal that is) and magus needs to be relatively stationary (zeal can be on a constant move apart from SOR usage).

My personal verdict (at the very least for myself): in terms of DPS alone magus would beat zeal, both in aoe & ST performance...albeit when it would come to the latter - magus would need to be in a "turret" mode.

P.S/Off-topic: Tried an RP on test realm with some weird, sub-optimal itemization due to the test server limitations in terms of available items (dont have an RP myself on live server): stable 1.35-1.45k (i.e. we may just round it to 1.4k median) frontloaded DPS with some extreme burst. Something isnt right there, especially when compared to zeal. However i really wouldnt want zeal to have that much of firepower, would be a cheat then (just as RPs are rn, fulmination in ST is deffo overperforming).

Its actually nice that you mentioned some dummy dps numbers! Zealots 1.1k dps seems accurate to me aswell (for st). Zealot kinda shines with its 1s/3s burst rather than its overall dps imo. I have managed to do 10k+ 3s burst and ~7k 1s burst with my zealot. The overall aoe dps for zl vs magus might lean towards magus, its really hard to say imo theyre both so close to each other (unless its pure keep funnel). I dont know much about magus but just basing my judgement on numbers I've seen when in group with Daewuurs magus. I like zealots aoe build because you can spec into echo and also have some ST pressure even in aoe spec so its quite nice.

I also forgot to add that zealot kinda needs to be really geared if you wish to do any competitive numbers..

Ultimately I do think Magus is better out of the 2 but (atleast before rdps patch) theyre so close that id choose just aesthetics.

Its actully good to have both magus & zeal so that I wouldnt be accused of being biased, but...zeal looks tenfold bettter than magus xD (i may be just very-very slightly biased xD)