Same subjugator weapon but destro side is stonger

[SuperStar]

I hope its a bug.

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/item/1848

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/item/1885


Same weapon same proc, somehow order is weaker.

[Florian90210]

You comparing heal and dps class weapons?

[SuperStar]

You comparing heal and dps class weapons?

Comparing the exact same weapon with the exact same proc with the exatc same kind of stast but some how the order one is -20% weaker.

[nocturnalguest]

Lmao, hello chatgpt, nice job done

Vibe-based itemization (c) at its finest hahahaha

On a serious note, as current system is highly abusable best strategy is the same as with fashionhammer items - keep it secret. Adapt, overcome and find broken items, use them and dominate. Only this will make them do something cause else this stuff will be here with us for years, mark my word.

[AxelF]

You comparing heal and dps class weapons?

Comparing the exact same weapon with the exact same proc with the exatc same kind of stast but some how the order one is -20% weaker.

There will be an assessed difference in proc tiers between Quickening and Clarity. Quickening will be Tier A, Clarity eiher Tier B or C so it has more raw stats.

[kleinbuchstabe]

Comparing the exact same weapon with the exact same proc with the exatc same kind of stast but some how the order one is -20% weaker.

You didnt do that.
You are comparing a heal weapon with a dps weapon here... from different classes and archetypes. its neither the same weapon, nor the same proc...

If you compare the heal staffs and dps staffs seperated from each other with their counterpart, you will see that they are the same.

[SuperStar]

You can call it healer staff but its not.

Its another bug because both subjugator weapon for rp has crit heal. But iit doesnt matter it ro convert them.

So you said Quickenig VI is farm more superior than Clarity VI?

Quickening is on being hit… on ideal circumstenses no incoming hit
Clarity can proc on any ability.

If the not the same lvl imo clarity is stronger.

Or order deserve less stat?
Or the healers deserve less stat?


Would be great if we can see all the proc with dmg type and internal cooldown and TIER.

[kleinbuchstabe]

What part of "You are comparing a heal weapon with a dps weapon" you didnt get?

They are the same on both sides. Instead of comparing a RP heal staff with a Magus dps staff, better check AM and Shaman Staff. They have the same amount of statpoints like the RP heal staff, and the same proc.

yes, DPS staff has 20 more stat points than the healer staff. Thats a class internal thing and could have balancing reasons. But it doenst make healers more weak than dps classes, cause since they are different classes, you cant compare them, it is "apples and oranges". So what you are trying to say here is just wrong.

[SuperStar]

What part of "You are comparing a heal weapon with a dps weapon" you didnt get?

They are the same on both sides. Instead of comparing a RP heal staff with a Magus dps staff, better check AM and Shaman Staff. They have the same amount of statpoints like the RP heal staff, and the same proc.

yes, DPS staff has 20 more stat points than the healer staff. Thats a class internal thing and could have balancing reasons. But it doenst make healers more weak than dps classes, cause since they are different classes, you cant compare them, it is "apples and oranges". So what you are trying to say here is just wrong.

You obviously dont have the basic knowelege to be a part of this topic, it not problem but make your comment total useless here. The sad part you dont even read or understand what i wrote at all just come here and be passive agressive.

I kindly ask you move away from my topic with your unnesessery ragebaiting comments.

Thank you. Let me not ask it again.

[nocturnalguest]

Its not about proper comparison, but rather pinpoint of procs "weight" that is incredibly subjective, build dependant and at the moment not properly accounted and highely likely will be not in future. RP would love their proc to stay for oRvR heal but get rid of it for DPS and on the opposite get rid of it for smallscale as healer but keep it as DPS (they've got 2 identical staffs, cmon why?!), Magus would love more stats instead of proc in pretty much any environment.

Issue is procs "weight" that are untied of actual gameplay. If we go futher into fort upgrades we will see that value for "5% chance to shock target for 385 Elemental damage" will now weight the same as Quickening VII. What would you pick on DPS class if you were to choose?

Yes, OP made some "fake" claims, but problem is still there even tho OP didnt correctly form it with words. And its way deeper.
There have been really awful "itemization" done each time, never anything was done in correct way. Some itemizations were unique (none mirrored) for classes, some were copycats, its whole lot of a mess, it was and it is now even worse.

So i dont think throwing rocks due to mistake done by OP aint skippable for keeping up yet another thread with rants and whine for itemization. I believe he raised proper issue that highlights illthought proc weighting and inconsistence of system as whole. Why? Declared design for healers offspec is being DPS, ok, should itemization support it? Why not. Should you mirror items if declared design is unification and standartization of everything? Why not.