[WE/WH] shadow

[nat3s]

Not seeing it, I specifically setup all my chars for solo roaming, its all I do and I levelled all my 80s through solo play exclusively.

I WANT WHs/WEs to open on me. The solutions are there if you build and gear for it.

If you want group centric glass cannon builds to do well solo roaming... Well... You're just doing it wrong.

Zeal, RP, AM, Sham, all tanks, Mara, WL, Engi and Mag all have great solo build options for farming WHs/WEs.

Stop refusing to play anything other than 5sov 4tri and you'll realise there are viable counter builds.

[Morradin]

Tanks and melee healers with insane burst damage, that is not toxic? But a class with basically zero armor and a 60% down time defensive measure of stealth is toxic?
Three or four GCD death from ranged and magic is not toxic. But two stealthers together is toxic?

Let me introduce you to something we used to say back on live ...

"LEARN TO PLA ..."

[Alubert]

I have an idea. Lets get rid of healing. Its way to powerful. Everyone keeps living. Small man groups of healers out dps and out heal.

Thats literally the same lil'violens your all playing.

Or maybe, just maybe, its part of the game and you need to develop tactics to fight all. If you spec for blob play, your aoe will do well. In small man play, its trash.

There is no longer such a thing as powerful healing and immortal healers. This has been very well balanced in RoR.
Opinions like yours simply stem from a lack of understanding of the basics of the game.
The game is based on cooperation and synergy.
To kill a target, you need the assistance of two DPS (damage and utility such as OHD/IHD, etc.) and the cooperation of 1/2 tanks with utility and supporting damage, as well as their healers CC such as RP/Zeal Stagger, AM/Shaman Silence (this does not apply to a poor player without support, whom you can kill effortlessly).

Apparently you have not ran into dos healing groups. But if you blob, you wouldn't see it.

I would prefer to avoid personal digs off topic, but once again you're missing the point.
I am an orthodox small-scale player and never join anything larger than 6-man (I also don't like it when a small group fights around a blob, and if the DPS does that, I quickly leave the group).
And I suggest trying out different WE specs because it's a killing machine.
GL.

[CeeJay89]

I've never been ganked and killed by a dps healer I couldn't hit flee and walk away from. Can't say the same for WE, which you can't see coming and once they're on you unless you're in a dueling spec or caught up to the blob, you're dead. There is no option to run away because the class was gifted with absurd, broken levels of sticking power.

I assume WH is the same to deal with, albeit to a much lesser extent, seeing as they weren't blessed with the bad decision of giving a stealth class a pounce that also happens to snare.

You say you can easily run away from the dps-heal, but you can't run away from WE. Am I the only one who sees lies here?

Oh, I'm sorry. What did the dangerous DoT healer do to stop you from ignoring them? Or did you willingly engage with them in a 1v1 and lose and now you're mad? If you chose to engage with a solo spec and lost, that's on you. You don't get to choose to engage with WEs and WHs, and even if you're winning, they get a free disengage.

Tanks, WLs, DPS Healers, etc. all have powerful roaming specs that can go around dunking on people in a 1v1 or 1vX. The problem isn't that they're strong, the problem is that while you can choose to ignore them because you can SEE THEM COMING, you can't choose to ignore WE/WH and especially not WE due to the horseshit sticking power. Stealth IS the approach. There is a reason that live didn't give stealth classes a charge, let alone a pounce, because stealth was the gap closer, and they did just fine.

[Soldis]

I've never been ganked and killed by a dps healer I couldn't hit flee and walk away from. Can't say the same for WE, which you can't see coming and once they're on you unless you're in a dueling spec or caught up to the blob, you're dead. There is no option to run away because the class was gifted with absurd, broken levels of sticking power.

I assume WH is the same to deal with, albeit to a much lesser extent, seeing as they weren't blessed with the bad decision of giving a stealth class a pounce that also happens to snare.

You say you can easily run away from the dps-heal, but you can't run away from WE. Am I the only one who sees lies here?

Oh, I'm sorry. What did the dangerous DoT healer do to stop you from ignoring them? Or did you willingly engage with them in a 1v1 and lose and now you're mad? If you chose to engage with a solo spec and lost, that's on you. You don't get to choose to engage with WEs and WHs, and even if you're winning, they get a free disengage.

Tanks, WLs, DPS Healers, etc. all have powerful roaming specs that can go around dunking on people in a 1v1 or 1vX. The problem isn't that they're strong, the problem is that while you can choose to ignore them because you can SEE THEM COMING, you can't choose to ignore WE/WH and especially not WE due to the horseshit sticking power. Stealth IS the approach. There is a reason that live didn't give stealth classes a charge, let alone a pounce, because stealth was the gap closer, and they did just fine.

So far, you're the one here who's offended by WE/WH. As a solo player, I'm looking for these battles because they're the only opponents who don't carry pocket heals and guards. As for what you're saying about ignoring dps-heals...this clearly sounds like its not true, especially for range dps-heals and WLs.

[Soldis]

And as for who is currently the top solo killer class, you can look at the kill statistics on these classes.

[korinmkorin]

What about wb of engineers (BT) killing everything with a snipe or with just a mine?
What about party of shamans?
What about cross guarded tanks?
Etc, lets nerf all
Or maybe make a WH and hit 80rr solo and then start talking about class bc its your another "plz nerf wh" topic with zero experience.
Do you even leave the wc without a healer?

[culland]

What about wb of engineers (BT) killing everything with a snipe or with just a mine?
What about party of shamans?
What about cross guarded tanks?
Etc, lets nerf all
Or maybe make a WH and hit 80rr solo and then start talking about class bc its your another "plz nerf wh" topic with zero experience.
Do you even leave the wc without a healer?

Do you realize how much engineers have been nerfed for just the reasons you describe? The difference of course between stealthers and all your other silly examples is that you can see them coming and you have a chance to avoid or run away, and they cant just escape soon as things are not going their way.

Reduce stealth effective duration so that its long enough for a gap closer, but not long enough that you travel around in stealth. Issue solved.