[Mara] Current state of the class?

[siglade]

I haven't had enough time with the rework to have an informed opinion on the changes.

If you get an answer im sure it would be about as useful as reading the tool tips. All these marauder "experts" appear to be posers just in here to keep marauder from getting any significant positive changes.

Well since you didn't had time with rework, maybe you needed a reminder about what mara can do.

Class is toptier nothing more to say and for the people who don't know how to play or what the bis gear is depending of spec // group setup// content, it has nothing to do with the class being bad, issue is the lack of information but again nobody really want to deal with people that think they know what they are saying especially when reading 'Mara is bad' or 'most nerfed class'.

[noronn]

Not doing anything on purpose. I'm digging for the best performing st build but my results were about on the same dps level, no matter what tactic setup or build. Even going Gutripper/Draining Swipe Spec or adding Cutting Claw to the rotation hardly made any difference. A bit more dps though, because Draining Swipe stacks 3 Rends immediately. Also I don't know if results can be compared (possible gear gap, RR gap, also I tested without any amplifiers such as "Mutating Aggressor" or "Ferocious Assault" or any liniments.

You could also post the build you tested for everyone else to see and test if they get similar results.

Sure I'll try to help. For starters, why would you not spec armor debuff? It's the ability with the most impact for your damage output together with the 25% damage buff.
What gear and rr are you? Whats your char name? Depending on RR and gear I would run PB or Changers Gift.

But these are things best discussed via discord and not the forum. Feel free to message me there. Handle is the same.

[wildwindblows]

tested again for quite some time and the results I got weren't really astonishing tbh.

Tested the following build:
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,521,35789

Stats: 902 Strength, 738 WS (with Mutating Corruption up), 52,7% Armor Penetration, 28% Crit

Rotation I used while always staying in Brutality Stance:

1) Keep Corruption buff up all the time
2) Stacking Rend (3x) all time
3) Thunderous Blow
4) Gut Ripper when up
5) Impale when up
6) Guillotine when up
7) Flail as Filler

I ended up having around 633 dps on the training construct with this. I think this is extremely underwhelming.

If you change tactics and go "Brute Force", "Feeding on Fear", "Piercing Bite", "Growing Instability" you end up pretty much at about the same dps because you max out crit with FoF, but you lose Strength and very much WS, leaving you at only penetrating armor with abilites that require a mutation. Also this tactic setup makes Flail and Corruption worse because those do not require a mutation and do not benefit from Piercing Bite.

Many things do not really synergize well.

The usual Cookie Cutter Spec, also running "Brute Force", "Feeding on Fear", "Piercing Bite", "Growing Instability", (36,9% AP + 15% from Piercing Bite) did around 100-150dps more during my tests. I think a major reason for this is because Rend is much, much easier to stack and keep up in Savagery Spec. All in all not very impressed with the dps either way.

Idk wtf you are doing, but ofc If you play some weird spec to purposefully get bad results on the dummy you make the class look bad.

random construct kill.


Even If I do your gimped rotation I get better results.


And to the other guy: I cba to interact with doomsayers who have no clue what they are talking about and try to actively ignore any advice and help they are offered.

I able to do much more better in my first try (without any pot and sentinel talisman) so better to keep your bad build for yourself and do not spread false info.

[krumhur]

I haven't had enough time with the rework to have an informed opinion on the changes.

If you get an answer im sure it would be about as useful as reading the tool tips. All these marauder "experts" appear to be posers just in here to keep marauder from getting any significant positive changes.

Well since you didn't had time with rework, maybe you needed a reminder about what mara can do.

Class is toptier nothing more to say and for the people who don't know how to play or what the bis gear is depending of spec // group setup// content, it has nothing to do with the class being bad, issue is the lack of information but again nobody really want to deal with people that think they know what they are saying especially when reading 'Mara is bad' or 'most nerfed class'.

I would be interested in playing a marauder, both in WBs and small scale.
Could you point me to the information you mentioned? I know about the warband ready guide from EnC, and the relevant marauder guide. I'd like to see roaming/small scale builds too, and I can't find anything recent.

This request is extended to Noronn and Wildwindblows also, since you guys seem all knowledgeable about the class.

Thanks!

[noronn]

I haven't had enough time with the rework to have an informed opinion on the changes.

If you get an answer im sure it would be about as useful as reading the tool tips. All these marauder "experts" appear to be posers just in here to keep marauder from getting any significant positive changes.

Well since you didn't had time with rework, maybe you needed a reminder about what mara can do.

Class is toptier nothing more to say and for the people who don't know how to play or what the bis gear is depending of spec // group setup// content, it has nothing to do with the class being bad, issue is the lack of information but again nobody really want to deal with people that think they know what they are saying especially when reading 'Mara is bad' or 'most nerfed class'.

I would be interested in playing a marauder, both in WBs and small scale.
Could you point me to the information you mentioned? I know about the warband ready guide from EnC, and the relevant marauder guide. I'd like to see roaming/small scale builds too, and I can't find anything recent.

This request is extended to Noronn and Wildwindblows also, since you guys seem all knowledgeable about the class.

Thanks!

You can pm me on discord if you are genuinely looking for advice. The less monstrous Maras in scs the better.

[wildwindblows]

I haven't had enough time with the rework to have an informed opinion on the changes.

If you get an answer im sure it would be about as useful as reading the tool tips. All these marauder "experts" appear to be posers just in here to keep marauder from getting any significant positive changes.

Well since you didn't had time with rework, maybe you needed a reminder about what mara can do.

Class is toptier nothing more to say and for the people who don't know how to play or what the bis gear is depending of spec // group setup// content, it has nothing to do with the class being bad, issue is the lack of information but again nobody really want to deal with people that think they know what they are saying especially when reading 'Mara is bad' or 'most nerfed class'.

I would be interested in playing a marauder, both in WBs and small scale.
Could you point me to the information you mentioned? I know about the warband ready guide from EnC, and the relevant marauder guide. I'd like to see roaming/small scale builds too, and I can't find anything recent.

This request is extended to Noronn and Wildwindblows also, since you guys seem all knowledgeable about the class.

Thanks!

This is how i build st mara below.

Small Scale Build:
Firstly, consider your opponent.
Against a low armor class, you want more str instead of armor pen because after 1.5k armor debuff, any low armor class will have 0 armor.
On the other hand, If your opponent is medium/high armor class, you also need armor pen. I try to keep my armor pen around 50% in this scenario and then focus crit and str. From these two builds, i prefer 50% armor pen setup more.
As gear, you can run 5xwarlord/4xthrium or 5xsov/4xthrium. Warlord provides AA speed and melee power and Sov provides more crit. If you run warlord, your wound will be low so you need Ring of Temptation to get more wound.

Solo Roam Build:
There are good solo roamer out there. You can search "Daewuurs Solobits" and “Vendial” via youtube. They both also share their setup and bulids in their videos. They are really good tho so i have nothing to add more.

This is how i build my mara and cannot claim that it is best or not. You need to find your own way because there are a lot of combination when you consider all gears, skills and tactics.

When I was new player 10 years ago, I met Theoddone, Foofmonger and Idajwrecki in game and they teach me the game and how to play mara. They were really responsive for any of my questions so I wanna thank them one more time here.