BUFF the BG already

[lumpi33]

69% for the buff?

so there are 69% destro players voting here vs 31% order player

come on... such vote is pointless...

[Florian90210]

69% for the buff?

so there are 69% destro players voting here vs 31% order player

come on... such vote is pointless...

Luckly we can see who voted, and "no" voted either trolls or order-obsessed ones.
Same trolls who supported crappy WS nerf patch.

[Alubert]

It's sad that someone doesn't realize that the WS patch was the best change to the server.
Nothing more logical and natural has been introduced in so many years.
It seems clear and simple that offensive statistics (WS) give an offensive buff and defensive statistics (Initiative) give defensive capabilities.
How can anyone defend the illogical old solution?
As a 2h BG, I have no problem with parry.
Without final equipment:
pve 2h spec 97% parry buffed
Pvp 2h spec 90% parry buffed.
What more could you want?
In my opinion, 2h BG is perfect.

[Farrul]

It's sad that someone doesn't realize that the WS patch was the best change to the server.
Nothing more logical and natural has been introduced in so many years.
It seems clear and simple that offensive statistics (WS) give an offensive buff and defensive statistics (Initiative) give defensive capabilities.
How can anyone defend the illogical old solution?
As a 2h BG, I have no problem with parry.
Without final equipment:
pve 2h spec 97% parry buffed
Pvp 2h spec 90% parry buffed.
What more could you want?
In my opinion, 2h BG is perfect.

Physical dps has always been at a disadvantage to Magic in terms of itemization( no need for a secondary stat to scale dmg and stats into toughness/ini with no loss of dps) hence at the time, it was a huge buff for Chosen/SM and a nerf to every other tank.

In retrospect it was not THAT bad, but imho a much better solution would have been to lower the amount of parry from WS but keep it tied to this stat.

[yoluigi]

Just got playing my lv 56 BO. Man my BO is not even in bis compare to my BG and it hits 2 times harder can steal all the stats without using abilities
Can Instant punt and also aoe punt.
Channel do insane dmg
Give weapon skill buff and buff also the defensive target
Get haste without using a tactic
get 20% crit when i need it also a good parry tactic that only require to be in certain stance.

THE ONLY THING THE BG got over bo is crimson death and an anti heal that is in the right tree soo cant commit to the parry tactic/tougness and the aoe slow.

People are brain dead to think bg dont deserve a buff. I only said a simple buff that could be applied anytime (easy to patch). But when you think about it the toughness debuff should be double and many other abilities should get buffed. There soo many requirement when other classes got access it from the start and do double the dmg.
Without the overtime heal this class is such in an disadvantage. Could easily put instead of the m4 in the path of malice just put the overtime heal.

Sever1n already gave a good topic on how to fix the class and great ideas

[Alubert]

It's sad that someone doesn't realize that the WS patch was the best change to the server.
Nothing more logical and natural has been introduced in so many years.
It seems clear and simple that offensive statistics (WS) give an offensive buff and defensive statistics (Initiative) give defensive capabilities.
How can anyone defend the illogical old solution?
As a 2h BG, I have no problem with parry.
Without final equipment:
pve 2h spec 97% parry buffed
Pvp 2h spec 90% parry buffed.
What more could you want?
In my opinion, 2h BG is perfect.

Physical dps has always been at a disadvantage to Magic in terms of itemization( no need for a secondary stat to scale dmg and stats into toughness/ini with no loss of dps) hence at the time, it was a huge buff for Chosen/SM and a nerf to every other tank.

In retrospect it was not THAT bad, but imho a much better solution would have been to lower the amount of parry from WS but keep it tied to this stat.

Why?
You invest in WS if you want to hit harder.
You invest in Ini if you want to be tougher.
Why should it be any different?
Like in the past, mdps investing in WS and playing with Riposte.
We've already put that nonsense behind us.

[Florian90210]

People are brain dead to think bg dont deserve a buff. I only said a simple buff that could be applied anytime (easy to patch). But when you think about it the toughness debuff should be double and many other abilities should get buffed. There soo many requirement when other classes got access it from the start and do double the dmg.

Somehow people ignore that classes like kotbs and chosen spend 0 AP, 0 GCD, buff AND debuff at same time, AoE. While other tanks have weak ST separate buff-debuff. It's clear that rest of the tanks should be bringed to level of kotbs and chosen both in buff-debuff and DPS capabilties.

[live4treasure]

I'm an order player, and I voted yes for the buff. BG damage is pathetic even when someone goes out of their way to build for it, and I don't remember the last time I've seen them in an SC premade. The proposal is fair, and the analysis post somewhere in the first few pages does a good job of explaining in detail why.

Either add some additional effect to the channel, or increase its damage, in my opinion.