A reflection on stealth classes

[M0rw47h]

I agree this feels exaggerated. Vanish is strong, sure, but calling it completely undefendable ignores positioning, awareness, and cooldown tracking.

Having over 400 initiative doesn't help my "awareness".

[Stinkyweed]

I've run on my WE with almost 1K initiative trying to hunt WHs, and it did not have a noticeable difference.

[Illuminati]

There was some sort of ninja nerf to Initiative improving stealth reveal in the last 3 weeks. At 500, I would see them no problem, then all the sudden even 600+ does not...

[Shogun4138]

Higher initiative gives yiu better odds but its still a roll/check. So its not like its 100%. Like any stat check.

[abezverkhiy]

WTF - i just took a look at the testserver changes for WH and WE.
WE and WH get tactic: "during incognito speed is increased by 20% and a lifereg" instead of the bubble in mid path (11)! Actually absolutely no need for that imo for both!
Seriously? More Lifereg to WE? With Oil and Heal tactic for all Kisses (new) in same path?
WH has Heal tactic for all Bullets (new) in left path and oil in right path. These changes just show, that devs dont have any clue about classbalance...

Yes, this is more like a buff to WEs and nerf to WHs as they do not take mid tree very often. Would be good tactic in the right tree though as the one we have there is utter rubbish. Protection from Heresy in current version is a good one, shame to see it go. The absorb on-demand...

[Grafzahl1111]

WTF - i just took a look at the testserver changes for WH and WE.
WE and WH get tactic: "during incognito speed is increased by 20% and a lifereg" instead of the bubble in mid path (11)! Actually absolutely no need for that imo for both!
Seriously? More Lifereg to WE? With Oil and Heal tactic for all Kisses (new) in same path?
WH has Heal tactic for all Bullets (new) in left path and oil in right path. These changes just show, that devs dont have any clue about classbalance...

Yes, this is more like a buff to WEs and nerf to WHs as they do not take mid tree very often. Would be good tactic in the right tree though as the one we have there is utter rubbish. Protection from Heresy in current version is a good one, shame to see it go. The absorb on-demand...

Yeah indeed!
For me i understand now - after reading some more about the upcomiung patch - this dps patch is not about AOE-NErf, but more an AOE Boost, even for WH/WE, completely nonsense to change a pure single archetype into warband viable class with AoE (Burn heretic becomes AoE -> while decreasing dps = ST-NErf).. very wrong direction imo again

[eigner93]

WTF - i just took a look at the testserver changes for WH and WE.
WE and WH get tactic: "during incognito speed is increased by 20% and a lifereg" instead of the bubble in mid path (11)! Actually absolutely no need for that imo for both!
Seriously? More Lifereg to WE? With Oil and Heal tactic for all Kisses (new) in same path?
WH has Heal tactic for all Bullets (new) in left path and oil in right path. These changes just show, that devs dont have any clue about classbalance...

Yes, this is more like a buff to WEs and nerf to WHs as they do not take mid tree very often. Would be good tactic in the right tree though as the one we have there is utter rubbish. Protection from Heresy in current version is a good one, shame to see it go. The absorb on-demand...

Yeah indeed!
For me i understand now - after reading some more about the upcomiung patch - this dps patch is not about AOE-NErf, but more an AOE Boost, even for WH/WE, completely nonsense to change a pure single archetype into warband viable class with AoE (Burn heretic becomes AoE -> while decreasing dps = ST-NErf).. very wrong direction imo again

Where can we find said patch notes?

[chovudal]

only source seems to be the testserver, but its still down, I would like to see more info, too

[Martok]

I agree this feels exaggerated. Vanish is strong, sure, but calling it completely undefendable ignores positioning, awareness, and cooldown tracking.

Having over 400 initiative doesn't help my "awareness".[/quote]


As I am sue you know the Initiative value impacts your percentage chance to 'see' an enemy currently operating in stealth. However I think Stinkyweed is correct, past a certain number you enter the realm of diminishing returns.

[storm]

https://www.twitch.tv/daewuur/clip/Sass ... IW2hdrAehh

This is vs a fully geared tank. Imagine how it feels for cloth healers that have had armor tallies and pots reduced. Just criminal.