WL is probably the most broken class

[wildwindblows]

pls dont delete wl, just nerf under to the ground.
Destro Fan Boyz did well. Gj, i proved of you.

"irony"

[tsyuryu]

white lion is one of the most unfun class to fight of any mmo, first they have a bugged pet, second they can teleport you in air, and one shot you if you are solo roaming / with bad support, how you guys cant see how broken it is compared to other class ? dont you see all the wl running around ? and on killboard scoring best kill damage

[Rapzel]

https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/career/marauder check piercing bite tactic. Main argument is 25% pene on 2 aoe skills of WL? Mara have 25% on EVERY mutaded skill. But who cares right? Burn da witch (with cat)!!!!!1111

You realise we have simulations that confirm that the highest DPS on any melee career is WL right?

Pretty sure msh with Winds came out on top.

Over a WL unbuffed?

[Gunlinger]

This is getting wilder and wilder. All talk for months and still some days ago was always about
OMG Whirling Axe TREEHUNDREDSIXTY DEGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! MARA ONLY FRONTAL!!!!!

For the final time to all you MARAUDERs. Your mirror for MUTATIONs are the Stances of the SHADOW WARRIOR. Those two share the FRONT CONE AOE.

But all those SQUIG HEARDERs obviusly understood by now that Whirling Axe is the mirror to BIG BOUNCIN'. Because in the middle of this Thread, the focus of their anger suddenly SWITCHED and now the argument is no longer the 360° aoe attack itself! NO, now it is the 25% armor penetration of the Hack And Slash taktic working on Slashing Blade and Whirling Axe.

And now the hick hack even switched over to pure dmg comparsions. Don't get me wrong. I hate White Lions as a slayer. They took over our Warband spots since Slayer lost its only free taktic slot and his single target aa dmg in WB build. I hate that the lion does more dmg in Warbands because he can start fighting with all his stuff, while the Slayer has to wait for his abilities to ''unlock'' because of ramp up rage requirement.

But as a Slayer player i can see what destro main players are trying to do to the lion now, because you guys did the same with Slayer before. You QQ all day long in the hope to get rid of an obstacle to your easy win renown roflestomp farming sessions.
And i will not stand here in silence while you spill out your nonsense agenda of OP WHITE LION SO STRONG, DESTRO HAS NO CHANCE BS.

- Monstro Gift grants Mara proc self heal + 20% incoming armor pen reduction + 10% more incoming heal from all sources.
- Wave of mutation debuffs 100 WS + 100 Initiative (armor pen, parry, crit reduction)
- Frontal 25ft aoe knockdown
- Crushing Blows taktic all attacks while in Monstro 10% chance to remove 100 Morale
- endless retry pull

- Melee Squig armor itself 100 strg, toughness, wounds, 50%+ Armor, range values from Gear converted to melee.
- Sneaky Bouncing taktic additional 50% armor (thats 100%+ Armor) combined with 15% dmg when under 45 feet (for most classes those 45 feet 15% dmg boost taktics have no additional boost at all on them)
- 10 sec of Non immunity giving pulsing punt + 25% movement speed boost

You people complain about stuff Order has, while destro has the monopoly on most of the unique buffs, debuffs, hard CC and on top of all the strongest moral boost abilities spread across multiple classes, meaning that when order WB reaches M1 you are already on M2.

HYPOCRITES

[tsyuryu]

msh is nothing like wl exept for the 360 aoe and pounce, they dont have unroot skill wich is a death sentence for a mdps class,
they dont have aoe detaunt and no charge exept the channeled one wich is bad for charging only good at bouncing people around but you will probably get interupt / run out of ap and speaking of ap you run out so fast that you must spam ap pots or get ap regen by other class to do your rotation in prolonged fight

[REWENGA]

The principle of the presumption of innocence applies — the prosecutor must prove the guilt.

No, it's not valid in the real world outside of court. If you want to show that someone is wrong, you have to prove it. A wise and strong man is capable of doing what he would like others to do. Humiliate your opponents with your careful analysis of the numbers. Show that, in addition to being right, you know your stuff. “Blah blah blah” won't be enough to bury your enemies!

I'm almost tempted to roll a lion myself and then complain that it needs to be buffed cos pet is not surviving 100vs100 aoe blob

[Alubert]

pls dont delete wl, just nerf under to the ground.
Destro Fan Boyz did well. Gj, i proved of you.

"irony"

There's no need to nerf it.
Just restore the normal aoe dmg values.
The ST skill must deal significantly more damage than the aoe skill.

[Brakh]

Warhammer Age of Lion King

[Scragmuncher]

Remember when the destro forum lobbyist told everyone Slayer and Rampage were the most OP thing ever?

Then devs blew up Slayer, but wouldn’t you believe it the next best class on Order is also now the most OP thing ever and needs nerfed? Surely once there is no more Slayer and no more WL then things will be balanced lol.

Its seems like the destro lobbyist have more of a “we can’t stand to lose” problem than a OP order class problem.

Maybe the devs can just change all Order dmg to 0 and make things “balanced” for you guys?

I laugh but then again devs will probably give in as always and appease destro.

[Hypernia]

Two things can be true at the same time:
- WL is by far the best Order DPS and needs to be rebalanced versus other Order DPS so a WB with less than 4-5 WLs isn't just trolling
- Nerfing WL in isolation without buffing other Order DPS would make the game brutally unbalanced between factions