Scenarios just don't make sense anymore

[karolis87]

Different people work on different things you know. Also scenarios dont favor order. Ask an order pug and he will tell you the same about destro. I agree that going solo against premades is not very fun for the side that is getting stomped.

Order pug here. On EU time we are free farming destro. It's real fukin bad. For them. Losers, hah.

[buksaman]

Funny how some think if you invite 5 randoms in group it will be better. Premades are more then just invites in group. Maybe you will have more utilized group then joining solo but that still doesnt make premade group. Comms, assisting, guard swaps, tank punts, stagger/silence healers in right moment is what is winning you fights not 6 randoms that will act as they like.

[leondre25]

Funny how some think if you invite 5 randoms in group it will be better. Premades are more then just invites in group. Maybe you will have more utilized group then joining solo but that still doesnt make premade group. Comms, assisting, guard swaps, tank punts, stagger/silence healers in right moment is what is winning you fights not 6 randoms that will act as they like.

bigger thing is just having 2/2/2
too many SCs for pugs end with 3 dps tanks(and i mean dps using Focused offense). 1 dps healer. and 1 half afk shaman/am

inviting 5 randoms wont make you win every match but it will put you so far ahead of every other pug

[saupreusse]

Different people work on different things you know. Also scenarios dont favor order. Ask an order pug and he will tell you the same about destro. I agree that going solo against premades is not very fun for the side that is getting stomped.

Order pug here. On EU time we are free farming destro. It's real fukin bad. For them. Losers, hah.

I bet my left eyeball you will find just as many complains about scenario imbalances from order on these forums. Sadly I don't have the time to count them for some numbers.

That being said I'm also looking forward to the sc overhaul.

[buksaman]

Funny how some think if you invite 5 randoms in group it will be better. Premades are more then just invites in group. Maybe you will have more utilized group then joining solo but that still doesnt make premade group. Comms, assisting, guard swaps, tank punts, stagger/silence healers in right moment is what is winning you fights not 6 randoms that will act as they like.

bigger thing is just having 2/2/2
too many SCs for pugs end with 3 dps tanks(and i mean dps using Focused offense). 1 dps healer. and 1 half afk shaman/am

inviting 5 randoms wont make you win every match but it will put you so far ahead of every other pug

My point is if you face real premade you will still be farmed like solo pugs. Because of things I mentined above

[agemennon675]

Different people work on different things you know. Also scenarios dont favor order. Ask an order pug and he will tell you the same about destro. I agree that going solo against premades is not very fun for the side that is getting stomped.

Except that the queing system is intentionally designed to place the premades against the pugs, when the means to correct this is already in the game and has been for years.

Current match maker works with FIFO(first in first out) as all MM systems, for premades and solo separation for around a 1 min, after - separation rule turn off form match with all in queue and priority on premades. With current online, common state - order premade already in SC vs destro pugs, destro premade in queue with order pugs and its a repeating process untill some premade will make bio break. Max SC time 15min+1min, if rise separation rule time to 18-20 min - premades will meet each other, but on the dead hour SC will proc after this timeout in queue and it can be a problem. You also can calc this time based on last 30-60min queue history, low population in queue - low separation time, high population - high separation time. At least on server primetime MM will give more balanced results.

But, as I underatand - premades happy to stomp solo and solo hate wait in queue more then being stomped.

"Current match maker works with FIFO(first in first out) as all MM systems" no it is not, also confirmed by devs mm giving parties prio and creating a scenario instance when 6 player party queues fills up the opponent team with w/e is on the queue at that moment, which is solo players waiting in line because mm doesnt let premade parties wait in queue making it very rare for premades to face premades unless they press queue button at the same exact moment

[Ysaran]

Funny how some think if you invite 5 randoms in group it will be better. Premades are more then just invites in group. Maybe you will have more utilized group then joining solo but that still doesnt make premade group. Comms, assisting, guard swaps, tank punts, stagger/silence healers in right moment is what is winning you fights not 6 randoms that will act as they like.

bigger thing is just having 2/2/2
too many SCs for pugs end with 3 dps tanks(and i mean dps using Focused offense). 1 dps healer. and 1 half afk shaman/am

inviting 5 randoms wont make you win every match but it will put you so far ahead of every other pug

My point is if you face real premade you will still be farmed like solo pugs. Because of things I mentined above

Yeah, but a lot ppl think they are fighting premades even when they are just fighting /5 groups or, if they are unlucky, when the matchmaker set them against balanced a distribution of roles. Not every 6man group is a premade.

[karolis87]

Different people work on different things you know. Also scenarios dont favor order. Ask an order pug and he will tell you the same about destro. I agree that going solo against premades is not very fun for the side that is getting stomped.

Order pug here. On EU time we are free farming destro. It's real fukin bad. For them. Losers, hah.

I bet my left eyeball you will find just as many complains about scenario imbalances from order on these forums. Sadly I don't have the time to count them for some numbers.

That being said I'm also looking forward to the sc overhaul.

I have leveled multiple characters to 30smth levels both in order and destruction during EU hours. Both now and back when I played maybe 2 years ago. During EU hours Destro is consistently losing hard. 500 to 5 hard. While playing Order during same hours I was consistently winning, so I suppose me bringing the team down is out of question. Only fun doing scenarions as destro was when doing solo queue only but that pops like twise a day at best.

[karolis87]

bigger thing is just having 2/2/2
too many SCs for pugs end with 3 dps tanks(and i mean dps using Focused offense). 1 dps healer. and 1 half afk shaman/am

inviting 5 randoms wont make you win every match but it will put you so far ahead of every other pug

My point is if you face real premade you will still be farmed like solo pugs. Because of things I mentined above

Yeah, but a lot ppl think they are fighting premades even when they are just fighting /5 groups or, if they are unlucky, when the matchmaker set them against balanced a distribution of roles. Not every 6man group is a premade.

/5 is a definition of a premade. Maybe not a good premade, but a premade.

[saupreusse]

Order pug here. On EU time we are free farming destro. It's real fukin bad. For them. Losers, hah.

I bet my left eyeball you will find just as many complains about scenario imbalances from order on these forums. Sadly I don't have the time to count them for some numbers.

That being said I'm also looking forward to the sc overhaul.

I have leveled multiple characters to 30smth levels both in order and destruction during EU hours. Both now and back when I played maybe 2 years ago. During EU hours Destro is consistently losing hard. 500 to 5 hard. While playing Order during same hours I was consistently winning, so I suppose me bringing the team down is out of question. Only fun doing scenarions as destro was when doing solo queue only but that pops like twise a day at best.

Anecdotal evidence is well... anecdotal. I have leveled lots of characters to rr 70+ and 80+ and I don't share your experience. If you go in solo against parties you are going to have a bad time, no matter which side you are playing on. I don't generally see how scenarios favor one side over the other, except for some outliers like BW college.

That being said, I am still in favor of a sc rework.