Why 'Jump-Casting' Doesn't Work in RoR

[Terminatorgit]

Referring to this bug (or "feature"): https://bugs.returnofreckoning.com/view.php?id=23037

How do you combat 20+ years of experience and muscle memory as a caster in WoW and other games? In every single game, whenever you are in line of sight (LOS) of a target, you can cast a spell—even when running away—by jumping and turning mid-air to face the target. In that split second, you maintain backward momentum while also staying in LOS. This is a core mechanic of caster gameplay in every PvP game.

However, for some reason in Warhammer RoR, this doesn’t work. It says "outside cone of fire" even when you are clearly facing the target mid-air. The spell cast animation even starts, suggesting it should work, but it seems bugged. It feels like your position is calculated and "frozen" the moment you jump, which results in this limitation.

This issue makes caster gameplay feel clunky, unsatisfying, and like a huge downgrade compared to other games. Personally, I find casters unplayable in RoR. I don’t remember exactly if this was the case on the live servers, but I think it was. That might explain why I always preferred melee classes, which felt far superior to casters—maybe that’s still the case.

Can someone explain why this is the case? It severely downgrades the gameplay experience. I’ve tried getting some of my friends from WoW to play RoR, and they were initially very hyped about the game. But as soon as they rolled a caster, they all quit because they thought the system was either stupid or bugged. It’s just unplayable for them or me . I would be hooked on this game if movement was on point , but just that single thing is off-putting so much for a pvp game.

[Sinisterror]

It did not work like this in live warhammer and there is no reason for it to work like it does now. This is super annoying and why would you even make a change like this??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-LsQsAqBYk

This is 3 years ago and it worked like it should

[Terminatorgit]

It did not work like this in live warhammer and there is no reason for it to work like it does now. This is super annoying and why would you even make a change like this??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-LsQsAqBYk

This is 3 years ago and it worked like it should

its the other way around, not beeing able to do something you should be is extremely annoying.

[Sinisterror]

It did not work like this in live warhammer and there is no reason for it to work like it does now. This is super annoying and why would you even make a change like this??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-LsQsAqBYk

This is 3 years ago and it worked like it should

its the other way around, not beeing able to do something you should be is extremely annoying.

I agree with you! I meant that it did not work in live warhammer like it currently does in RoR and why would you even change it from being able to jumpcast to not being able to jumpcast.

[Fey]

You find casters to be clunky, because there is no jump cast? Honestly I don't have words. Just baffling.

[Sinisterror]

You find casters to be clunky, because there is no jump cast? Honestly I don't have words. Just baffling.

Are you purposefully misunderstanding? Any melee skill is usable while you jump(except pounce and sw/sh self kb and this makes 0 sense...) but if its ranged then you cant use instant skills even when you have los? Why?

https://bugs.returnofreckoning.com/view.php?id=23037

[Aethilmar]

You find casters to be clunky, because there is no jump cast? Honestly I don't have words. Just baffling.

Are you purposefully misunderstanding? Any melee skill is usable while you jump(except pounce and sw/sh self kb and this makes 0 sense...) but if its ranged then you cant use instant skills even when you have los? Why?

https://bugs.returnofreckoning.com/view.php?id=23037

That is demonstrably not true. You can jump and cast if you are facing the target. If you are facing away, you cannot and as mentioned above you couldn't do that on live either. Probably because kiting in WAR/RoR has always been based on running at an angle from the target and what the OP wants to do is kite by running straight away and do jumps (probably with macros) to maintain damage on the target like you can apparently do in WoW.

[Terminatorgit]

You find casters to be clunky, because there is no jump cast? Honestly I don't have words. Just baffling.

Are you purposefully misunderstanding? Any melee skill is usable while you jump(except pounce and sw/sh self kb and this makes 0 sense...) but if its ranged then you cant use instant skills even when you have los? Why?

https://bugs.returnofreckoning.com/view.php?id=23037

That is demonstrably not true. You can jump and cast if you are facing the target. If you are facing away, you cannot and as mentioned above you couldn't do that on live either. Probably because kiting in WAR/RoR has always been based on running at an angle from the target and what the OP wants to do is kite by running straight away and do jumps (probably with macros) to maintain damage on the target like you can apparently do in WoW.

It seems that you don't understand what is talked about . All that matters is your position BEFORE jump, not during in real time , witch is incredibly stupid, and one of the reasons why every other MMO player that tried Warhammer says movement and pvp is clunky.

[Terminatorgit]

It did not work like this in live warhammer and there is no reason for it to work like it does now. This is super annoying and why would you even make a change like this??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-LsQsAqBYk

This is 3 years ago and it worked like it should

its the other way around, not beeing able to do something you should be is extremely annoying.

I agree with you! I meant that it did not work in live warhammer like it currently does in RoR and why would you even change it from being able to jumpcast to not being able to jumpcast.

I am not saying it should be changed, but having animations go off like it is supposed to work is another layer of annoying on top of it not working anyway on Live . Either fix the animations or just allow real time tracking of position. Playing mage in wow and bright wizard on Warhammer is literally night and day difference of skill, not just because of spells but also because of movement mechanics. Good mage will be jumping 90% of the time on instant casts, while kiting backwards, in Warhammer all you do is strafe like a bot, you can unbind jump key its useless button for skipping over terrain.

[Sinisterror]

Are you purposefully misunderstanding? Any melee skill is usable while you jump(except pounce and sw/sh self kb and this makes 0 sense...) but if its ranged then you cant use instant skills even when you have los? Why?

https://bugs.returnofreckoning.com/view.php?id=23037

That is demonstrably not true. You can jump and cast if you are facing the target. If you are facing away, you cannot and as mentioned above you couldn't do that on live either. Probably because kiting in WAR/RoR has always been based on running at an angle from the target and what the OP wants to do is kite by running straight away and do jumps (probably with macros) to maintain damage on the target like you can apparently do in WoW.

It seems that you don't understand what is talked about . All that matters is your position BEFORE jump, not during in real time , witch is incredibly stupid, and one of the reasons why every other MMO player that tried Warhammer says movement and pvp is clunky.

100%. Also 1.5s Gcd instead of 1.15s is a big one as well. Gameplay is too slow with 1.5s. Potions and Morales are not off GCD like in Original War. So in RoR it takes 4.5s to use 2 potions and Morale. In AoR it was instant! Because of 1.5s gcd we now have 6 instant skills vs 8 before in 10+ seconds. All these contribute alot to the clunky feeling.