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jafh123
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Re: Knight dps

Post#41 » Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:00 pm

WARChosen wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 6:44 pm
jafh123 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:48 pm
WARChosen wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:54 pm

You Mean The Strongest Chosen with Heal Regen spec there is no skil when you all are full spec in regen to win 1v1 fight
I've fought chosens with more regen than me and more regen than him and they have been easy kills, while dealing no damage. In fact, I've beaten most chosens while using 2 str genesis instead of fleshrenders, I usually (not always) go around with fleshrenders because it's better for 1vX, in 1v1 they aren't mandatory. So yes, he's the strongest chosen in the server.
You don't understand someting i say "there is no skil when you all are full spec in regen to win 1v1 fight" and you again say "I've fought chosens with more regen than me and more regen than him and they have been easy kills, while dealing no damage. In fact, I've beaten most chosens while using 2 str genesis instead of fleshrenders" Using Regen tali on your victorius ring and claim the strongest chosen in this server is someone who can't go solo without regen build
Maybe it's hard for you to accept it, but I've fought a lot of chosens, regen chosens included, and the most "skilled" one, by far, has been Wiggsplitter, and you know why he's more "skilled" than the rest? Because he adapted.

"Skill" is a funny word. What does "skill" mean in this game? Knowledge of the game mechanics? Knowing how to move? Knowledge of the terrain? Knowing how to react to your enemies' cooldowns? This game isn't competitive (which is fine), and requieres very little "skill", the only "skill" needed is knowing how to adapt to different situations, but in the end you win nothing so just make the build you want and try to have fun.

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WARChosen
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Re: Knight dps

Post#42 » Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:46 pm

jafh123 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:00 pm
WARChosen wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 6:44 pm
jafh123 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:48 pm

I've fought chosens with more regen than me and more regen than him and they have been easy kills, while dealing no damage. In fact, I've beaten most chosens while using 2 str genesis instead of fleshrenders, I usually (not always) go around with fleshrenders because it's better for 1vX, in 1v1 they aren't mandatory. So yes, he's the strongest chosen in the server.
You don't understand someting i say "there is no skil when you all are full spec in regen to win 1v1 fight" and you again say "I've fought chosens with more regen than me and more regen than him and they have been easy kills, while dealing no damage. In fact, I've beaten most chosens while using 2 str genesis instead of fleshrenders" Using Regen tali on your victorius ring and claim the strongest chosen in this server is someone who can't go solo without regen build
Maybe it's hard for you to accept it, but I've fought a lot of chosens, regen chosens included, and the most "skilled" one, by far, has been Wiggsplitter, and you know why he's more "skilled" than the rest? Because he adapted.

"Skill" is a funny word. What does "skill" mean in this game? Knowledge of the game mechanics? Knowing how to move? Knowledge of the terrain? Knowing how to react to your enemies' cooldowns? This game isn't competitive (which is fine), and requieres very little "skill", the only "skill" needed is knowing how to adapt to different situations, but in the end you win nothing so just make the build you want and try to have fun.
The only thing that is hard for me to accept is that you think that you have skill and the only thing You know about this game is what you showed how without any skill you can defeat an enemy only with regeneration and I wouldn't call it adaptation but laziness because why use skill when you can only regenerate any damage and win the fight
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jafh123
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Re: Knight dps

Post#43 » Sun Oct 27, 2024 8:07 pm

WARChosen wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:46 pm
jafh123 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:00 pm
WARChosen wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 6:44 pm

You don't understand someting i say "there is no skil when you all are full spec in regen to win 1v1 fight" and you again say "I've fought chosens with more regen than me and more regen than him and they have been easy kills, while dealing no damage. In fact, I've beaten most chosens while using 2 str genesis instead of fleshrenders" Using Regen tali on your victorius ring and claim the strongest chosen in this server is someone who can't go solo without regen build
Maybe it's hard for you to accept it, but I've fought a lot of chosens, regen chosens included, and the most "skilled" one, by far, has been Wiggsplitter, and you know why he's more "skilled" than the rest? Because he adapted.

"Skill" is a funny word. What does "skill" mean in this game? Knowledge of the game mechanics? Knowing how to move? Knowledge of the terrain? Knowing how to react to your enemies' cooldowns? This game isn't competitive (which is fine), and requieres very little "skill", the only "skill" needed is knowing how to adapt to different situations, but in the end you win nothing so just make the build you want and try to have fun.
The only thing that is hard for me to accept is that you think that you have skill and the only thing You know about this game is what you showed how without any skill you can defeat an enemy only with regeneration and I wouldn't call it adaptation but laziness because why use skill when you can only regenerate any damage and win the fight
Where have I said that I'm skilled? My skill level = -9000. In fact, my skill is so negative that I don't kill by dealing damage, I kill by regenerating my own health. But all of this doesn't change they fact that Wiggsplitter has more skill than you and all the other chosens I've fought. ;)

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WARChosen
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Re: Knight dps

Post#44 » Sun Oct 27, 2024 8:15 pm

jafh123 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 8:07 pm
WARChosen wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:46 pm
jafh123 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:00 pm

Maybe it's hard for you to accept it, but I've fought a lot of chosens, regen chosens included, and the most "skilled" one, by far, has been Wiggsplitter, and you know why he's more "skilled" than the rest? Because he adapted.

"Skill" is a funny word. What does "skill" mean in this game? Knowledge of the game mechanics? Knowing how to move? Knowledge of the terrain? Knowing how to react to your enemies' cooldowns? This game isn't competitive (which is fine), and requieres very little "skill", the only "skill" needed is knowing how to adapt to different situations, but in the end you win nothing so just make the build you want and try to have fun.
The only thing that is hard for me to accept is that you think that you have skill and the only thing You know about this game is what you showed how without any skill you can defeat an enemy only with regeneration and I wouldn't call it adaptation but laziness because why use skill when you can only regenerate any damage and win the fight
Where have I said that I'm skilled? My skill level = -9000. In fact, my skill is so negative that I don't kill by dealing damage, I kill by regenerating my own health. But all of this doesn't change they fact that Wiggsplitter has more skill than you and all the other chosens I've fought. ;)
I'd love to test their skills in the arena if they have the courage to do but if you think that you are the marker of who has "skill" and who doesn't, you are wrong.
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REWENGA
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Re: Knight dps

Post#45 » Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:47 pm

@jafh
IB is broken, a BIS IB can just stand afk and not be killed in 1v1. it is broken, thats all. patch of may 5th did the magic.

there is skill in game, u don't see it, but there is.

jafh123
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Re: Knight dps

Post#46 » Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:55 pm

REWENGA wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:47 pm @jafh
IB is broken, a BIS IB can just stand afk and not be killed in 1v1. it is broken, thats all. patch of may 5th did the magic.

there is skill in game, u don't see it, but there is.
This isn't true, I've been solo killed afk a few times. :x

Farrul
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Re: Knight dps

Post#47 » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:29 am

georgehabadasher wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 2:10 am
Farrul wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 1:29 am
Zxul wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:16 pm

Another fine example of someone speaking about class without knowing anything about the class.

Chosen dmg:

-AA- physical.
-Snare, 1 gcd out of every 7- physical.
-Parry buff, 1 gcd out of every 14, or less than 14 if it was shattered- physical.
-Cleave- needed if dealing with high parry, physical.
-Severe Blessing- up to 2 out of every 7 gcds, physical.
-Withering Blow, parts of Tooth of Tzeench, several others- still physical.

Remind me again, just how exactly did you manage to get to conclusion about chosen "How much WS chosen needs? None" and "Not carrying about WS at all"?
anyone who is slightly interested in doing damage with a 2h tank will stay far away from the kotbs.
You're not wrong, but it'd be more accurate to say "anyone who is slightly interested in doing damage with a 2h tank will stay far away from RoR"
The other tank classes can be specced to do ok-ish singletarget damage and burst, the Swordmaster ( with the right setup) could approach mdps territory vs a singletarget ( that was before channel attacks were broken by the ability patch) against some targets in particular ( medium/ heavy armor) due to decent scaling and magic attacks.

The Ironbreaker and BO also can do some decent singletarget burst numbers with the right setup vs light/medium armor, nothing to scoff at.

The main issue with the Knight of the blazing sun is that the class is begging for some elemental damage conversion, likewise if you removed some magic attacks from the chosen he would start to suck a lot when it comes to dps, he is not doing any damage at all with the physical damage attacks including cleave with the exception maybe vs a WH.

How they nerfed the knight on this server is a tragedy, they should never a touched ''mighty soul'' etc. It has been suggested before to let ''Myrmidas fury'' be converted into elemental damage through the tactic under it in the skill tree.

Farrul
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Re: Knight dps

Post#48 » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:51 am

jafh123 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:00 pmMaybe it's hard for you to accept it, but I've fought a lot of chosens, regen chosens included, and the most "skilled" one, by far, has been Wiggsplitter, and you know why he's more "skilled" than the rest? Because he adapted.
I don't mean to disrepect anyone but this Chosen isn't that skilled imho, he just understands how to change tactics( focused offence) and when to use taunt at the right moment + has the correct gear( which maybe makes him a lot more skilled than 95% of the players on this server :) ) I have killed him and most Chosens several times 1vs1 with my 2H iB back when 2H IB was actually playable and before the devs ruined him.

In fact Chosen is a class which has a very low skill-cap, the same is true with kotbs since they are so simple to play and you only have to press a few buttons without any class mechanic that requires attention, someone who is good at playing an IB/BG or even a WH etc will have a very easy time to produce good results with a Chosen since they are super simplistic, the class almost plays itself.

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Re: Knight dps

Post#49 » Mon Oct 28, 2024 6:33 am

Farrul wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:51 am
jafh123 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:00 pmMaybe it's hard for you to accept it, but I've fought a lot of chosens, regen chosens included, and the most "skilled" one, by far, has been Wiggsplitter, and you know why he's more "skilled" than the rest? Because he adapted.
I don't mean to disrepect anyone but this Chosen isn't that skilled imho, he just understands how to change tactics( focused offence) and when to use taunt at the right moment + has the correct gear( which maybe makes him a lot more skilled than 95% of the players on this server :) ) I have killed him and most Chosens several times 1vs1 with my 2H iB back when 2H IB was actually playable and before the devs ruined him.

In fact Chosen is a class which has a very low skill-cap, the same is true with kotbs since they are so simple to play and you only have to press a few buttons without any class mechanic that requires attention, someone who is good at playing an IB/BG or even a WH etc will have a very easy time to produce good results with a Chosen since they are super simplistic, the class almost plays itself.
Our experiences will be different, of course, but I just mentioned him because even though in our first encounters I used to down him easily (not getting the killing blow because someone always interrupted close to the end), he made some changes and became really strong, so he made the correct changes to counter a certain opponent, which is something many people refuse to do cause of "pride" or laziness (I do it all the time, changing gear and tactics on the go, cause I've found out it's the only way to kill certain opponents).

But anyway, I didn't post in this thread to make it about me, I just posted some data from the killboard that I thought would enrich the discussion, but it seems I have a legion of fans that can't restrain themselves from expressing their love towards me everywhere they go.

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