BW vs Sorc

[Bozzax]

Rotations works vs non grouped players that don't get cleansed. You can see the buildup of that rotation for 10 seconds on the target which gives ample time for detaunt, LOS and cleanse

vs PUGS / solo ... very good
vs premades /groups not as good and it is really better to have a DD

So having utility matters

[Bozzax]

The only "utility" a sorc can pick up in their tree is the lifetap DoT, and I have no idea how much survivablity that is going to add? Aside from that sorc has a 2 sec cast disarm... while all the BW's stuff like RKD and incoming heal debuff are insta cast abilities.

Lifetap was great until they nerfed it as you could have multiple running. After change utter garbage

Disarm is good if you wanna annoy a SW

[Jaycub]

The only "utility" a sorc can pick up in their tree is the lifetap DoT, and I have no idea how much survivablity that is going to add? Aside from that sorc has a 2 sec cast disarm... while all the BW's stuff like RKD and incoming heal debuff are insta cast abilities.

Lifetap was great until they nerfed it as you could have multiple running. After change utter garbage

Ya i was afraid of that, I never played either of these classes on live so if anything I am saying is coming off as retarded it's because I am lol.

I just wan't to see what the deal is currently between these 2 classes so I can decide which one to play.

[Bozzax]

Bw is better solo but both are waste of time as cleanse renders both ineffective where it matters unless you want to run a bomb or get high kill count on pugs

Can be ok in a roam as you have range but then really you mostly group stomp ppl and would likely do as good with another damage class that can assist better. When you are up vs something that matters you are the weakest link and they know it.

Still it is a good class for picking of ppl when you have terrain advantage* and you can go about your stuff without the risk of getting meleed

* Keeps/zerg vs zerg/Npc guards/spawn camps/higher ground

[Aceboltz]

Um interesed too seem like bw is more powerful than sorc

This is the situation in T2:

First the more or less balanced differences:
-"Shield of Aqshy" gives armor AND pushback protection while "shroud of darness" only gives resistances
-"Burning iron" is on a 20sec cooldown and burns 50ap from the target while "frostbite" is on a 30sec cd an disarms for 3sec

Second the biased differences:
- "Cauterize" is really good and helps against sorcs to dispel the powerful word of pain (and "obsessive focus" is still bugged but that's not a balance issue).
-"Pyroclastic surge" has a strong (albeit short) cast time debuff and no cooldown while "arctic blast" got a 10sec cooldown

I tried to be as objective as I could, and to look at the things as they really are right now and not in an imaginary future or nostalgic past. And it bring tears to my eyes to see that without skill trees, BWs are already better and more well-rounded than sorcerer but the original devs decided to give BWs a vastly superior skill tree and found it was normal, good and legit. Thus a lot of players think this situation is good and well.

At least the sorceress got cleavage and bare legs.

[Zegota]

As far as T2 goes

-dmg type doesn't make a difference

-sorcs prebuild mechanic better than bws cause of no cd on ice spikes, but it's easy to get fast to 100 even without that. only thing that gives the sorcs edge here is the better range and cone on ice spikes over flame breath

-sorcs have slow in the form of arctic blast with 10s cd, bws can spam pyro surge

-sorcs have res buff, bws have armor buff. i give the edge here to bws cause it's easy to cap res with so many shamans and ams running around

-obsessive focus vs cauterize. no doubt, i'm gonna go with cleanse

-detonate vs infernal wave. detonate is more reliable for rotation, infernal wave is better if you can afford the range

-frostbite vs burning iron. obviously, frostbite is the winner here

[noisestorm]

BW: http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bw; ... 5:;0:0:0:0:

Sorc: http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sor ... 8:;0:0:0:0:


Comparison for both:
BW -> BW is generally more Dot heavy with and dependant on having Hexes on your target (Knockdown+Detonate require someone to be debuffed). BW has healdebuff,disorient , funnel power and knockdown. Else sorc has everything that BW has too.

Sorc -> More direct damage heavy. Gloomburst (counterpart of Sear deals 100% more damage! on 5 sec cd), Has an additional insta nuke like nova/impending doom (called echo of power on low cd). 'Instead' of a Knockdown or Healdebuff, sorc has simply better Damage with obsessive focus as well as 'Utility' in form of the 10% dmg group tactic.


Since DoKs tend to spam their cleanse, a BWs rota (or also wannabe knockdown) can be countered pretty fast and all sorts of AoE dots are nearly useless (detonate/flame breath). The sorc on the other side has uncounterable damage on disrupt (meaning you can throw in some AoE dot and if anyone disrupts it you, can echo of power anyone else), doubled damage on a 1sec cast with 5 sec cd (gloomburst). Also sorc has a Disarm, that BW does not have and the snare can also be similarly useful.

I personally can just say: BW is a pugstomper, while Sorc is better (or let me call it a more 'solid' pick) against decent premades.

[Bozzax]

EoP was ok until WHs whined and got it nerfed
GB is hardly worth using and no one slots tactic

[Aceboltz]

Poor healers who got cast-time debuffed, heal debuffed and AP drained. Sorcerers must have been really superior in damage to counter this.

[noisestorm]

Poor healers who got cast-time debuffed, heal debuffed and AP drained. Sorcerers must have been really superior in damage to counter this.

As i played mainly DoK i was actually always happy having BWs on the enemy teams, since 90% of their Kits are cleansable, as well as i dont care about AP. But the same counts for WP too, but well. I personally would use 2 marauders, or wh+slayer over Ranged dps anyways. But thats just my thought :^)