Assault Shadow Warrior AoE Detaunt?

[saiho]

I dont think ASW Lacks damage in any way shape or form, it just lacks utility. Especially after they lost the movement speed on Swift Slashes, or the KD or even the auto attack damage buff on Assault stance list goes on and on.

But one thing I feel is severely overlooked, is an AoE Detaunt for Asasult Shadow Warrior, every other melee has it for a reason. Because you really cannot survive without it, I wonder if theres any way for the devs to implement an AOE Detaunt for ASW WIthout adding it for Ranged SW.

I know they have the tactic for it, but they cannot spare the tactic slot to have something that is already baseline for every other melee


Make it so that you gain AOE Detaunt baseline if you have majority points specced into Assault Mastery Tree?

Give them a new ability thats only usable in assault stance which is an aoe detaunt, but the detaunt debuff goes away on every target once you swap stances? (This ones a bit iffy because u could become very tanky as a ranged SW by sitting in ASW while getting trained.)


Honestly Im not sure exactly how to properly implement something like this without giving it to the other two specs, but I do believe it something that could greatly benefit ASW While also not making them an overpowered mess, because as we know rn. They are pure hot **** garbanzo. Im sure ACTUAL Developers could do a better job than me regarding implementations of things and how their own code works.

[what63]

Has selfpunt and isn't light armor, along with also being a hybrid. It just never was supposed to be a pure melee. A tactic slot being the cost of detaunt is perfectly fine as such, it always was. Especially when the resulting detaunt is the best one available to any melee by miles.

The tactic slot most certainly can be afforded in cases where no AoE detaunt is a dealbreaker. This is a non-issue and just more of the typical aversion to opportunity cost.

There are other avenues for dealing with this too, my personal solution back in the early days of RoR when SW was just coming into the 6v6 meta was to run an obscene amount of anticrit, parry and a decent dollop of extra armor, because the overall statbudget most certainly allowed going balls deep defensive with minimal sacrifices on the offensive front. And this is still the case. In combination with the class actually having a full blown ranged kit as a melee DPS it simply shouldn't be as effective at brawling as every other melee.

[leftayparxoun]

...But one thing I feel is severely overlooked, is an AoE Detaunt for Asasult Shadow Warrior, every other melee has it for a reason...

While I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of the post, melee Squig Herder (MSH), the soft-mirror of aSW, also doesn't have access to "AOE" detaunt without investing a tactic slot. So at least the game is consistent in the treatment of those 2 specs.

[saiho]

...But one thing I feel is severely overlooked, is an AoE Detaunt for Asasult Shadow Warrior, every other melee has it for a reason...

While I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of the post, melee Squig Herder (MSH), the soft-mirror of aSW, also doesn't have access to "AOE" detaunt without investing a tactic slot. So at least the game is consistent in the treatment of those 2 specs.

That is true, I wish they'd give them both an AoE Taunt and balance them accordingly. Would probably be far easier to balance them with that aswell, because as it stands right now neither have it but melee SH is miles above melee SW in the current state

[Apocaliptico]

I can't believe it when I see posts like this, asking for something more for SW... this game is already completely broken, SW is the easiest class to play today. It has ridiculously high damage, and absurd movement when using guerrilla warfare.

You need to stop crying a little, look at the kill bourd and see how he's been stacking SW!

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/

[leftayparxoun]

I can't believe it when I see posts like this, asking for something more for SW... this game is already completely broken, SW is the easiest class to play today. It has ridiculously high damage, and absurd movement when using guerrilla warfare.

You need to stop crying a little, look at the kill bourd and see how he's been stacking SW!

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/

The game (much like the world) doesn't work in absolutes.
All those SWs in the killboard are ranged Shadow Warriors. This post specifically discusses the assault (melee) SW spec and even proposes ways to ensure that the aSW changes don't affect the rSH spec.
While I myself don't play aSW at all, I will absolutely agree on that it needs (positive) changes. Hopefully, when the big DPS balance phase arrives, we'll also see proper attention given to it.

[Sever1n]

Prob normal option would be just make it similar to doks. Add aoe detaunt to merciless tactic or to melle stance. But considering how long they change such little things, we should await it in 2030

[Apocaliptico]

I can't believe it when I see posts like this, asking for something more for SW... this game is already completely broken, SW is the easiest class to play today. It has ridiculously high damage, and absurd movement when using guerrilla warfare.

You need to stop crying a little, look at the kill bourd and see how he's been stacking SW!

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/

The game (much like the world) doesn't work in absolutes.
All those SWs in the killboard are ranged Shadow Warriors. This post specifically discusses the assault (melee) SW spec and even proposes ways to ensure that the aSW changes don't affect the rSH spec.
While I myself don't play aSW at all, I will absolutely agree on that it needs (positive) changes. Hopefully, when the big DPS balance phase arrives, we'll also see proper attention given to it.

SW is doing very well as it is... In order to give it any further improvements, you need to remove something from what is already making it a meta today. If you give SW a better combination, you could simply break the game even more. SH stopped being a great class after the nerfs... today RA is unviable because it is in the same position as FEF, they removed KD... Anyway, I don't want to get into comparisons, but I think this crying is unnecessary.

[Ashoris]

SW is the easiest class to play today.
It has ridiculously high damage,
and absurd movement when using guerrilla warfare.

Just show me how a SW with Guerilla Warfare has ridicoulus high dmg while beeing easy to play, it does not work that way

Yes, SW can be easy to play,
yes, SW can have an high amount dmg
yes, SW can utilize guerilla warfare for movement speed .....BUT YOU ARE NEVER able to have all of it.

[Apocaliptico]

SW is the easiest class to play today.
It has ridiculously high damage,
and absurd movement when using guerrilla warfare.

Just show me how a SW with Guerilla Warfare has ridicoulus high dmg while beeing easy to play, it does not work that way

Yes, SW can be easy to play,
yes, SW can have an high amount dmg
yes, SW can utilize guerilla warfare for movement speed .....BUT YOU ARE NEVER able to have all of it.

Ask the DEVs for logs, I have no way of proving it if you can't see it while playing. Or call Awbzz to show you. I've played a lot with SW myself and the problem with Guerrilla is that people think it's a useless tactic, because in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use it, it will be useless.