TrainInVain wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 12:13 pm
In total 48 tanks, 80 dps and 79 healers for Destro
In total 42 tanks, 90 dps and 55 healers for Order
I wouldn't be able to put the amount of time and thought into a post like you have. But I zeroed in right away on the number of healers, and slight edge in tanks destroy had and would have guessed they had better sustain. We don't know how many order toons actually even used the sustain tactics and abilities you listed. In my experience, most RvR and SC given roughly equal player skill and numbers, will be won by the side with an edge in number of heals and tanks.
Ratio of S&B tanks vs 2h. To me the guard swapping ability of the player far outweighs what class they play. I don't have numbers to back it up, but the blork and BG self buffing block, feels far more important for mitigation than the sustain abilities order has.
Number imbalance in healers translating to more rez's and means more sustain.
How many guild leaders did you ask about blobbing? Equal number of inquiries for each faction?
I don't mean to come across as arrogant, but two of those order guilds I've never heard of.
Thanks for the reply.
To tackle exactly what you pose here I have to focus on what this analysis was able to quantify.
That being essentially how much each faction managed to slowdown enemy kills. That is quantified by the true ratio of healing to damage on the target which I call Recovery. Sustain is a concept adjacent to this since it doesn't necessarily involve kills/deaths and which I mainly talk about it my interpretation of results.
So after making that clear let's re-examine what you pose:
- Destro had 6 more tanks. Destro also had 20 more people join in late due to people exiting and being replaced. that is around 1 out of 10 destro player beings replaced. Assuming 1:2:1 ratio of tank/dps/heal leaving and in queue, if the initial number of tanks was X then the total amount of tanks than joined LOTD was 1.1*X = 48. Solving that we get ~44 tanks, meaning that Destro should have only had around 2 more tanks than Order at any time. Even if that isn't the case and the +6 difference was there from the start, Order is able to build more ranged 6man comps that don't require tanks compared to Destro. Also check the ratio of rdps to mdps for Order for that point too. Meaning that more tank spots are ''freed'' for the Order warbands.
- The difference in heals, similar to tanks, should again be less than it seems. Doing the same trick as before we get 72 Destro healers vs 55 healers for Order. However in this case, I'd say Order had way more dps healers in the form of AMs roaming in ranged comps. Taking a closer look to the gear brackets of the healers we see that Destro had around 15 more pre-Vanq healers and 10 sov healers. But how big of a difference in healing is that? I've actually already looked into that in the analysis by summing up the
total heal numbers of the factions: 33.2 million for Destro vs 32.9 million for Order (in the ''What happened in this LOTD'' subsection). Barely a difference. This is mainly a result of Swordmaster healing so if you want to actually have a rough idea of total healers per faction you could also count them in:
72 Destro healers vs 55 healers + 14 SMs = 69 total. Maybe with that perspective the equal total heal numbers make sense.
- Number of rez's can help with sustain, but it cannot help with Recovery; that metric is only involved in the process of a kill. If anything having more rez's can both make it very likely that the newly resurrected target dies soon after without any heals (lowering the average Recovery of the faction) and also occupies the healers that could be otherwise healing people that were dying (which would increase Recovery).
- As for the last question, you are completely right. I didn't ask any Order warband leaders from that LOTD if they think they were blobbing more than Destro did. It is just my, and other Destro leaders' interpretation that they didn't do so. By all means, if they believe they blobbed significantly more, they can correct me and maybe I'll consider the initial interpretation I posed a bit more seriously. Alternatively, they can dm me in private because I'm not sure that writing
''Yeah, we were blobbing all the time'' Is the thing you'd want to share at the forums