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ravezaar
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Re: Patch Notes 06/02/2024

Post#211 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:41 am

I like how ppl saying not a nerf when it clearly is, and then the description comes from a Black Orc. lmao

Its a massive nerf to what was a OP skill, but dont sugarcoat it into something cause u wanna downplay it. I do agree Rampage nerf is huge buff to Black Orc
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Re: Patch Notes 06/02/2024

Post#212 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:18 am

As someone who used Rampage in a single target sense it was perfectly fine as it was, it was only OP in the AOE sense and now that its been nerfed the ST build i was using is just garbage compared to how it was before...

Is it good for the majority of AOE users? perhaps.
Is it good for Trollslayer players? Nah its terrible.

So is it a good change overall?
i think the class in general needs more tuning personally.....Ultimately it is a nerf in my books.

Much like choppa with GTDC this class should not be depending its ENTIRE life on a single skill, i dont know how many players would agree with me on this but id be happy to see Rampage thrown in the bin and replaced with something else entirely - BUT ofc i would expect everything else to be tuned correctly to compensate for this loss.

rrrutsss
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Re: Patch Notes 06/02/2024

Post#213 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:34 am

ravezaar wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:41 am I like how ppl saying not a nerf when it clearly is, and then the description comes from a Black Orc. lmao

Its a massive nerf to what was a OP skill, but dont sugarcoat it into something cause u wanna downplay it. I do agree Rampage nerf is huge buff to Black Orc
How is it a buff for BO if BO could and can shatter rampage?
Hardly any BO cared if you popped rampage or not if they had at least 3 braincells they just shatter it instantly.

Fighting against SL got fairer for every other meele class now.

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ravezaar
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Re: Patch Notes 06/02/2024

Post#214 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:11 pm

rrrutsss wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:34 am
ravezaar wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:41 am I like how ppl saying not a nerf when it clearly is, and then the description comes from a Black Orc. lmao

Its a massive nerf to what was a OP skill, but dont sugarcoat it into something cause u wanna downplay it. I do agree Rampage nerf is huge buff to Black Orc
How is it a buff for BO if BO could and can shatter rampage?
Hardly any BO cared if you popped rampage or not if they had at least 3 braincells they just shatter it instantly.

Fighting against SL got fairer for every other meele class now.
3 classes could shatter it before, few did now they dont have to. It was mainly a buff to Des but so sick and tired of Des players trying to downplay a obvious nerf to something else.
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akisnaakkeli
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Re: Patch Notes 06/02/2024

Post#215 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:21 pm

rrrutsss wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:34 am
ravezaar wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:41 am I like how ppl saying not a nerf when it clearly is, and then the description comes from a Black Orc. lmao

Its a massive nerf to what was a OP skill, but dont sugarcoat it into something cause u wanna downplay it. I do agree Rampage nerf is huge buff to Black Orc
How is it a buff for BO if BO could and can shatter rampage?
Hardly any BO cared if you popped rampage or not if they had at least 3 braincells they just shatter it instantly.

Fighting against SL got fairer for every other meele class now.
Rampage happens to be last one to get shattered, some skills get interesting treatment. Rampage was very nerfed because it was overbuffed to insane degree to what it was in Live War. In live not one undefendable skill bypassed morale avoidances except another morale that does dmg. In live there was 0 undefendable or other skills that IGNORED GUARD MECHANIC. 24 aoe cap vs 9 with Undefendable skills ignoring guard mechanic and morale avoidance skills is just idiotic design.

No aoe heal debuffs(bring back dps dok hd i mean who the hell decided that you need to spec for the skill SE AND take tactic to make it single target heal debuff? just make SE 50% HD without the tactic. Change tactic to work like original Guilty Soul 9s spirit dmg dot/hot) Also Original WP heal debuff was 25% with 20 second cooldown. Now it's 50% with 10s Cooldown while WP also gets access to 25% heal debuff proc that stacks to 75% HD against healer. Destro gets 0 of these 25% HD procs in Subjugator/Fort wpns and Order has 4 classess that gets them. Very Fair when you gut aoe HD and dps dok completely and then give 25% HD procs to 4 order classes and 0 destro.

Dont bring up chosen aura or any skill, we are talking about wpn procs and they definetely shouldnt be for "Order only" or "Destruction only" . Original Rampage was great and should be reverted to that, which means 9 ae cap and no undefendable guard dmg and not going thru morale avoidances.
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Ruin
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Re: Patch Notes 06/02/2024

Post#216 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:44 pm

akisnaakkeli wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:21 pm No aoe heal debuffs(bring back dps dok hd i mean who the hell decided that you need to spec for the skill SE AND take tactic to make it single target heal debuff...) Also Original WP heal debuff was 25% with 20 second cooldown. Now it's 50% with 10s Cooldown while WP also gets access to 25% heal debuff proc that stacks to 75% HD against healer. Destro gets 0 of these 25% HD procs in Subjugator/Fort wpns and Order has 4 classess that gets them. Very Fair when you gut aoe HD and dps dok completely and then give 25% HD procs to 4 order classes and 0 destro.
If by acces to 25% HD you mean the Forterss weapon proc, then IT DOES NOT STACK WITH regular HD from Absence of Faith skill since both are ability bosnuses.

akisnaakkeli
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Re: Patch Notes 06/02/2024

Post#217 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:50 pm

Ruin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:44 pm
akisnaakkeli wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:21 pm No aoe heal debuffs(bring back dps dok hd i mean who the hell decided that you need to spec for the skill SE AND take tactic to make it single target heal debuff...) Also Original WP heal debuff was 25% with 20 second cooldown. Now it's 50% with 10s Cooldown while WP also gets access to 25% heal debuff proc that stacks to 75% HD against healer. Destro gets 0 of these 25% HD procs in Subjugator/Fort wpns and Order has 4 classess that gets them. Very Fair when you gut aoe HD and dps dok completely and then give 25% HD procs to 4 order classes and 0 destro.
If by acces to 25% HD you mean the Forterss weapon proc, then IT DOES NOT STACK WITH regular HD from Absence of Faith skill since both are ability bosnuses.
It does last time i checked. But it only works to 75% on healer healing himself. Anyway if its changed it still will stack with Kotbs 25% outgoing hd aura right? Man i miss original Cripling strikes on chosen <3 Made undefendable Rending Blade actually good. I know this has nothing to do what we are talking about, just remembered the existence of it and started to miss it.

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Ruin
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Re: Patch Notes 06/02/2024

Post#218 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:40 pm

akisnaakkeli wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:50 pm
Ruin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:44 pm
akisnaakkeli wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:21 pm No aoe heal debuffs(bring back dps dok hd i mean who the hell decided that you need to spec for the skill SE AND take tactic to make it single target heal debuff...) Also Original WP heal debuff was 25% with 20 second cooldown. Now it's 50% with 10s Cooldown while WP also gets access to 25% heal debuff proc that stacks to 75% HD against healer. Destro gets 0 of these 25% HD procs in Subjugator/Fort wpns and Order has 4 classess that gets them. Very Fair when you gut aoe HD and dps dok completely and then give 25% HD procs to 4 order classes and 0 destro.
If by acces to 25% HD you mean the Forterss weapon proc, then IT DOES NOT STACK WITH regular HD from Absence of Faith skill since both are ability bosnuses.
It does last time i checked. But it only works to 75% on healer healing himself. Anyway if its changed it still will stack with Kotbs 25% outgoing hd aura right? Man i miss original Cripling strikes on chosen <3 Made undefendable Rending Blade actually good. I know this has nothing to do what we are talking about, just remembered the existence of it and started to miss it.
Weren't You the ONE that said not to bring other abilites like "Dont bring up chosen aura or any skill, we are talking about wpn procs and they definetely shouldnt be for "Order only" or "Destruction only"". So why did you brought it up???

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Re: Patch Notes 06/02/2024

Post#219 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:29 pm

Ruin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:40 pm
akisnaakkeli wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:50 pm
Ruin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:44 pm

If by acces to 25% HD you mean the Forterss weapon proc, then IT DOES NOT STACK WITH regular HD from Absence of Faith skill since both are ability bosnuses.
It does last time i checked. But it only works to 75% on healer healing himself. Anyway if its changed it still will stack with Kotbs 25% outgoing hd aura right? Man i miss original Cripling strikes on chosen <3 Made undefendable Rending Blade actually good. I know this has nothing to do what we are talking about, just remembered the existence of it and started to miss it.
Weren't You the ONE that said not to bring other abilites like "Dont bring up chosen aura or any skill, we are talking about wpn procs and they definetely shouldnt be for "Order only" or "Destruction only"". So why did you brought it up???
Unlike other 25% Heal Debuffs, the fortress proc seems to be currently bugged and stacking with other HDs:
https://bugs.returnofreckoning.com/view.php?id=22289

This Fortress proc is Order side exclusive I should add (Slayer, IB, WP and White Lion)
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geezereur
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Re: Patch Notes 06/02/2024

Post#220 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:21 pm

When will melee channels be fixed? It breaks after 1 ticks most of the time now due to lag or something.

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