Concerns regarding recent directions RoR is taking

[Sulorie]

Campaign got destroyed by certain players wanting scheduled cities. Now guild and players log in and log off at set times (e.g mass co-ordinated log off at 11pm server time) and the only busy time is EU primetime. People used to stay on to zone push to get city but without that carrot why bother.

Oh yeah, people stay on a bit longer to push city but never see it, because at some point they have to log off and those few left after midnight till early EU morning have a city siege.
Why EU prime time population should fight stalemats or prepare city for others to reap the rewards?
We had daily city siege during the same time of day for month, sometimes multiple sieges.
A city siege for the main part of population was a rare sight unless you have no day job.

The mechanics were not changed because it worked so flawlessly and almost all liked it. The previous iteration was bad and a change needed. This doesn't mean the current solution is good in any sense, don't get me wrong. I just think the notion to revert it back to another broken system isn't worth it.

[Garamore]

The alternate though has delivered dead rvr zones, where one side is in utter domination for 20 hrs of the day and only time with numbers is 20:00-22:00 server time and thats entirely dependant on which wb leaders log in and what side they decide to play.

This coupled with scens being much much more effective for getting crests and leveling rr has left rvr lacklustre.

At this point anything that gets rvr going again would be good.

[Phantasm]

The alternate though has delivered dead rvr zones, where one side is in utter domination for 20 hrs of the day and only time with numbers is 20:00-22:00 server time and thats entirely dependant on which wb leaders log in and what side they decide to play.

This coupled with scens being much much more effective for getting crests and leveling rr has left rvr lacklustre.

At this point anything that gets rvr going again would be good.

Thats why I made that topic. Knowledge at the login phase which side is dominating and which is already weak corrupt players decision which side to choose or even to play at all after all.
EU prime time still has healthy numbers only because of few realmpride and organised guilds.

[Scottx125]

The alternate though has delivered dead rvr zones, where one side is in utter domination for 20 hrs of the day and only time with numbers is 20:00-22:00 server time and thats entirely dependant on which wb leaders log in and what side they decide to play.

This coupled with scens being much much more effective for getting crests and leveling rr has left rvr lacklustre.

At this point anything that gets rvr going again would be good.

Agreed, we were out in the lake last night and initially it was sort of balanced. 1 org order and pugs Vs 2 destro org and pugs (by org I mean strong competitive rvr guilds fielding wbs). Then another destro org wb logged and completely flipped the balance in their favour. Only way for order to compete was to blob up and zerg against the org wbs and I hate it. But it's better than the alternative of getting wiped again and again and again.

Funny thing is, the best RvR time is during NA when both sides have 1 competent RVR wb in the lakes. You get controlled fights and no zerging. But on occasion you get the nights where everyone is on one faction or the other which sucks.

[Dajciekrwi]

Look like in every topic, on the end we always have these same conclussion - everything depends what wb will log on which side.
So, maybe we go deeper with the revolution and reduce the importance of warbands in the game ?
What if we make 12 ppl wb ? It will be not easy to wipe pug when y neeed to cooperate with other smaller warbands? make it make game more unpredictible and give some space for different behaviour?
And uba-supa-proguild will have more challenges and fun too- with coordination of 2 warbands instead butchering the fresh RoR piglets with one masiive wb ?

[Caduceus]

Scheduled cities and war crest changes have not had a positive influence on the game and in my opinion should be reverted.

It made the RvR campaign and the reward system hollow.

[Sulorie]

Let's revert it back to over9000 different currency's until all are so annoyed by it and wish to implement war crests again. It all goes full circle it seems. :^)

[Scottx125]

Maybe have the LOTD system (that actually works) based on MMR or something similar, taking into account some sort of metric for player performance, level and number of players? If such a system was on based on population, you could have equal numbers. But one side could be full of pugs and the other full of organised guild WB's. Not exactly a fair fight.

[Aethilmar]

Maybe have the LOTD system (that actually works) based on MMR or something similar, taking into account some sort of metric for player performance, level and number of players? If such a system was on based on population, you could have equal numbers. But one side could be full of pugs and the other full of organised guild WB's. Not exactly a fair fight.

The campaign progression system is not built around equal numbers or "fair" fights.

It is built around zone flips. Imbalance is a feature, not a defect.

[dwyur]

Honestly if u enjoy pvp stuff with melee and magic classes and pew pew and tanks tanking, and clever use of CC, etc this game is kinda dead. There's just the same bland and boring zerg that unless for some reason you are obsessed to farm sovereign (like it matters, the content will be the same, with or without sov) it's so far away from fun, should try a wow pirate server instead ,with either Cataclysm (more or less balanced classes in PVP) - Whitemane or WOTKL (lil less balanced but still fun) - Warmane.
Can't stress enough how much fun battlegrounds (like scenarios in ror) are there, and it just feels so good to click "join battleground" and not having to wait more than 0,5 seconds for a pop. You also have a decent open RvR zone in Tol Barad, with daily quest and stuff and sometimes people attack Stormwind / Orgrimmar tho i've just stick to 2v2 arenas and battlegrounds.

So your suggestion is to play World of Warcraft private server....nice1

I am concerned about the low population of the server, which seems to be the lowest since I started playing in 2020. Could be the cyclical nature of summertime less people inside playing vs winter more people inside and logging in but it has gotten worse last month+. I enjoy some of the live events but people aren't logging in or coming back for long PvE quests or event mounts. Respek to the devs for everything they do, first and foremost; but without any major content patch or some fresh ideas for dead gameplay mechanics like Forts or LOTD players stop playing and it cascades as people don't have their friends or guild logging in anymore to play with. I supported scheduled cities but it seems to have run it's course and now has a somewhat negative impact on the campaign. I don't know if removing scheduled cities is solution because same issue of 2AM city always happening still exists, but some sort of change to the campaign would probably be beneficial I think. The forum is not really the best place for sane, logical takes on current state of game (I don't think blaming x-realming makes any sense) but there has to be a way to encourage discussion on new ideas from informed players or warband leaders.

edit; and since when is the Killboard a problem? I don't get why seeing K:D would ever be an issue.