Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?

[normanis]

maby pull/pounce height axis is too high. thatwhy u stuck into textures because choppa pull pull u over textures byt in end u fall into textures or are polled over textures
same as with pounce, its too high. so u can jump on keep walls.
i would lower pull/pounce axes to 45 degree or to 35.
ps. devs has test server they can test it.

[Earthcake]

Earthcake also whines about IB time resources management what do you expect? A serious and unbiased discussion?

I'm so so so biased, but in which direction tho since I play both sides ?

[Rapzel]

Earthcake also whines about IB time resources management what do you expect? A serious and unbiased discussion?

I'm so so so biased, but in which direction tho since I play both sides ?

Since you keep forgetting the raw damage mitigation that exists on Order side and only bring up the avoidance that Destro has access to I believe that you are quite biased. Take e.g. 50% parry that requires an ability that needs to hit a target and tactic that needs trigger, or 25 parry on you and Oathfriend as long as you are within 50 ft, for 15 grudge on demand?

When was the last time you saw Destro complain about SM getting 35% parry and 10% block from a tactic and ability?

[Earthcake]

Since you keep forgetting the raw damage mitigation that exists on Order side and only bring up the avoidance that Destro has access to I believe that you are quite biased. Take e.g. 50% parry that requires an ability that needs to hit a target and tactic that needs trigger, or 25 parry on you and Oathfriend as long as you are within 50 ft, for 15 grudge on demand?

When was the last time you saw Destro complain about SM getting 35% parry and 10% block from a tactic and ability?

No i don't, you are forgetting important "details".
Like the fact that SM parry buff last 5 sec and prevents you from using any other improved balance skills which is a bg deal compared to chosen that can use it whenever he wants and lasts for 15sec...
The +10% block/parry is only when in perfect stance, is totally removed by furious howl, and if we are talking about balance realm vs realm, BO got the same tactic...

About IB parry, this 25% is reduced to 15% by furious howl.
Destro tanks got higher avoidance.

About raking talons, you also forgot that BO also have a -20% magic dmg taken for his party. RT is still better but you weren't telling the whole story.
And, again, order NEEDS stronger abilities since destro got better CC, that should be obvious to anyone understanding time, if you play less your abilities should do more.

[zulnam]

Please fix choppa. The power is absurd.

I was streaming yesterday and managed to get this footage from KV. Sickening that a single choppa can do this much.

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but seriously tho,

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this is nothing but unfiltered whining mixed with bad manners and insults. Nothing good can come of it. Stop it. Stop insulting the other team, stop insulting other players. We literally need each other for this whole thing to bloody work.

[lumpi33]

Please fix choppa. The power is absurd.

I was streaming yesterday and managed to get this footage from KV. Sickening that a single choppa can do this much.

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Click here to watch on YouTube

Pretty on point, especially the ranged dps scene. Got an Engi flashback

[Rapzel]

About IB parry, this 25% is reduced to 15% by furious howl.
Destro tanks got higher avoidance.

No it doesn't work like that at all, unless it was changed recently. It multiplies block/parry with 0,9, i.e it's 22,5%.

Yea, and Order has better mitigation and group utility, as I've stated before.

About raking talons, you also forgot that BO also have a -20% magic dmg taken for his party. RT is still better but you weren't telling the whole story.

Okay, so 2 combined abilities that are worse than 1 ability with tactic, makes BO better than SM?

Okay? So
And, again, order NEEDS stronger abilities since destro got better CC, that should be obvious to anyone understanding time, if you play less your abilities should do more.

What better CC? Concussive Jolt and GtDC?

If you take less damage you die less and are allowed to play more?

[Earthcake]

Finally u admitted that destro tanks got better avoidance.
We could go over the other points but it takes far too much time, now u argue that destro got better CC or not... but then again, u claimed that u can cast everything needed on IB when it is physically impossible so yeah there is that.

[Yshra]

When was the last time you saw Destro complain about SM getting 35% parry and 10% block from a tactic and ability?

They dont complain because there is nothing to. Not OP at all.
Its a +25% buff that last for only 5s. ONLY 5S, do you see? where chosen one is 15s or IB is 10s. For SM Its close to useless, u cant even do another rotation that its gone. This skill needs to be at least 10s, maybe 15s because of stance rotation contraint.
And its 10% from tactic (so maybe not many people use it) and again, only in perfect stance (in which u stay not much because all interesting skills are there). When you talk on something, you have to be accurate, because your presentation is very biased.

Again nothing OP on theses 2 points, rather the opposite.

[Rapzel]

Finally u admitted that destro tanks got better avoidance.
We could go over the other points but it takes far too much time, now u argue that destro got better CC or not... but then again, u claimed that u can cast everything needed on IB when it is physically impossible so yeah there is that.

The list of group utility that Order tanks have that Destro tanks lack is just as long if not longer than the access Destro tanks has to self pumping avoidance

From the first post I made in the topic, are you okay?

Bold statement from you when it comes to IB.
I've never claimed that you can cast every buff on IB, I've claimed that you need to know what buff you need to cast in a specific situation.
Are you trying to Oathguard your whole WB?

There's no reason to user guarded attack, because it doesn't stack with armor pot.
There's no reason to use str/wp buff on a melee if you have ancestor's fury.
There's no big reason to use stubborn as stone if there's no spell casters.
The only reason you would use these is to cover Sigmar's Shield