maby pull/pounce height axis is too high. thatwhy u stuck into textures because choppa pull pull u over textures byt in end u fall into textures or are polled over textures
same as with pounce, its too high. so u can jump on keep walls.
i would lower pull/pounce axes to 45 degree or to 35.
ps. devs has test server they can test it.
Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
"give wh and witch propper aoe like evrywone has it!"
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Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
I'm so so so biased, but in which direction tho since I play both sides ?Rapzel wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:52 pm
Earthcake also whines about IB time resources management what do you expect? A serious and unbiased discussion?
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Since you keep forgetting the raw damage mitigation that exists on Order side and only bring up the avoidance that Destro has access to I believe that you are quite biased. Take e.g. 50% parry that requires an ability that needs to hit a target and tactic that needs trigger, or 25 parry on you and Oathfriend as long as you are within 50 ft, for 15 grudge on demand?
When was the last time you saw Destro complain about SM getting 35% parry and 10% block from a tactic and ability?
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
No i don't, you are forgetting important "details".Rapzel wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:44 pm
Since you keep forgetting the raw damage mitigation that exists on Order side and only bring up the avoidance that Destro has access to I believe that you are quite biased. Take e.g. 50% parry that requires an ability that needs to hit a target and tactic that needs trigger, or 25 parry on you and Oathfriend as long as you are within 50 ft, for 15 grudge on demand?
When was the last time you saw Destro complain about SM getting 35% parry and 10% block from a tactic and ability?
Like the fact that SM parry buff last 5 sec and prevents you from using any other improved balance skills which is a bg deal compared to chosen that can use it whenever he wants and lasts for 15sec...
The +10% block/parry is only when in perfect stance, is totally removed by furious howl, and if we are talking about balance realm vs realm, BO got the same tactic...
About IB parry, this 25% is reduced to 15% by furious howl.
Destro tanks got higher avoidance.
About raking talons, you also forgot that BO also have a -20% magic dmg taken for his party. RT is still better but you weren't telling the whole story.
And, again, order NEEDS stronger abilities since destro got better CC, that should be obvious to anyone understanding time, if you play less your abilities should do more.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Please fix choppa. The power is absurd.
I was streaming yesterday and managed to get this footage from KV. Sickening that a single choppa can do this much.
I was streaming yesterday and managed to get this footage from KV. Sickening that a single choppa can do this much.
Spoiler:
SW, Kotbs, IB, Slayer, WP, WL, SM, Mara, SH, BG
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Pretty on point, especially the ranged dps scene. Got an Engi flashbackzulnam wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:54 pm Please fix choppa. The power is absurd.
I was streaming yesterday and managed to get this footage from KV. Sickening that a single choppa can do this much.
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Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
No it doesn't work like that at all, unless it was changed recently. It multiplies block/parry with 0,9, i.e it's 22,5%.Earthcake wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:03 pm About IB parry, this 25% is reduced to 15% by furious howl.
Destro tanks got higher avoidance.
Yea, and Order has better mitigation and group utility, as I've stated before.
Okay, so 2 combined abilities that are worse than 1 ability with tactic, makes BO better than SM?Earthcake wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:03 pm About raking talons, you also forgot that BO also have a -20% magic dmg taken for his party. RT is still better but you weren't telling the whole story.
What better CC? Concussive Jolt and GtDC?Earthcake wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:03 pm Okay? So
And, again, order NEEDS stronger abilities since destro got better CC, that should be obvious to anyone understanding time, if you play less your abilities should do more.
If you take less damage you die less and are allowed to play more?
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Finally u admitted that destro tanks got better avoidance.
We could go over the other points but it takes far too much time, now u argue that destro got better CC or not... but then again, u claimed that u can cast everything needed on IB when it is physically impossible so yeah there is that.
We could go over the other points but it takes far too much time, now u argue that destro got better CC or not... but then again, u claimed that u can cast everything needed on IB when it is physically impossible so yeah there is that.
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Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
They dont complain because there is nothing to. Not OP at all.Rapzel wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:52 pm
When was the last time you saw Destro complain about SM getting 35% parry and 10% block from a tactic and ability?
Its a +25% buff that last for only 5s. ONLY 5S, do you see? where chosen one is 15s or IB is 10s. For SM Its close to useless, u cant even do another rotation that its gone. This skill needs to be at least 10s, maybe 15s because of stance rotation contraint.
And its 10% from tactic (so maybe not many people use it) and again, only in perfect stance (in which u stay not much because all interesting skills are there). When you talk on something, you have to be accurate, because your presentation is very biased.
Again nothing OP on theses 2 points, rather the opposite.
Re: Choppa Pull, fix or delete it?
Earthcake wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:41 pm Finally u admitted that destro tanks got better avoidance.
We could go over the other points but it takes far too much time, now u argue that destro got better CC or not... but then again, u claimed that u can cast everything needed on IB when it is physically impossible so yeah there is that.
From the first post I made in the topic, are you okay?Rapzel wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:52 pm
The list of group utility that Order tanks have that Destro tanks lack is just as long if not longer than the access Destro tanks has to self pumping avoidance
Bold statement from you when it comes to IB.
I've never claimed that you can cast every buff on IB, I've claimed that you need to know what buff you need to cast in a specific situation.
Are you trying to Oathguard your whole WB?
There's no reason to user guarded attack, because it doesn't stack with armor pot.
There's no reason to use str/wp buff on a melee if you have ancestor's fury.
There's no big reason to use stubborn as stone if there's no spell casters.
The only reason you would use these is to cover Sigmar's Shield
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