Destro entering Hatred's Way Non-Flagged

[Meliannia]

I would rather they look into the Destro Elf fort north bo spot that ports you out of the fort if you go near it.

there are a number of fort spots like this
theres the north east spot in fell landing drow fort u mention,
the south spot and all the south and south east walls in the orcs Butcher's pass fort
and the artillery gun south east base south wall on dorf Stonewatch fort
you go there or die there or are punted off there u r out of the fort.

sometimes the game even auto ports you out of the fort so you have to run back or removes you from the queue entirely so you have to go to the back of the queue if there is a queue, and sometimes it even boots you out of the game and you log back in at some random PVE Village 20 miles away on the nearest pve map.

easiest advice. dont go to those Bos.

[Emissary]

A suggestion would be to figure out how to stop destro running into Hatred's Way not RVR flagged from their PVE zone. Most destro can make it to the inner wall before being flagged for RVR.

I will try this, if it's real then we have one on Destro side!

You do not have to try it just watch my twitch feed about the 1hr and 23 minute mark.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1287240154

[sergteo]

Just ban everyone who plays destro

[AxelF]

Just auto flag the second you step into the lake. Why the hell is there any need for this 'grace period' timer? You're there, you're there to fight.

It's not for people who take SCs, as if they're in the lake they're PvP flagged before they accept it and are murdered during the load screen when they return if they're unlucky/not careful enough about where they accept the pop.

[Kaeldrick]

A suggestion would be to figure out how to stop destro running into Hatred's Way not RVR flagged from their PVE zone. Most destro can make it to the inner wall before being flagged for RVR.

I will try this, if it's real then we have one on Destro side!

You do not have to try it just watch my twitch feed about the 1hr and 23 minute mark.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1287240154

Thanks for video. On that keep, Order can also use the waterfall way to enter postern.

Anyway, the fact is here : it's frustrating for both sides so it's a problem of QoL on server. Lately I've seen some posts from staff about QoL... Maybe they should start with this simple subject instead of claiming that all is fine.

[Emissary]

I will try this, if it's real then we have one on Destro side!

You do not have to try it just watch my twitch feed about the 1hr and 23 minute mark.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1287240154

Thanks for video. On that keep, Order can also use the waterfall way to enter postern.

Anyway, the fact is here : it's frustrating for both sides so it's a problem of QoL on server. Lately I've seen some posts from staff about QoL... Maybe they should start with this simple subject instead of claiming that all is fine.

Order can not use the Waterfall to enter the keep unflagged unless they are using some speed hack I know nothing about. Most the time New Order toons fall to their death from the waterfall. My suggestion was not about how you can get into keeps from pve, it was about how you can get in a keep not rvr flagged.

[diegomess]

Order can also do it in high pass keep (north one)
-DW right keep
-TM left keep or very close to do it
-BC north keep, not necessarily unflagged but they drop from some stairs right next to north postern
-Caledor right keep, drop from PVE but not sure if they could get in unflagged.

[Cyrylius]

To be perfectly honest, playing on destro there's very few keeps you can't get into as a solo player, even if they are defended, doubly so in a party/as a zealot. Not necessarily PvP flagged, but with some ingenuity there will always be the way.
That being said, situations like saphery keep (well of Quaysh, if memory serves) make the oRvR warband manoeuvring very bland, as there's literally no way to prevent any number of order from just entering the keep by postern. I'm not saying it's bad, having zones being unique and strategically different (you can't siege this zone if you have disadvantage, this zone is destro/order favoured etc) makes them interesting. My only concern is having those assymetrical zones evenly spread: I'm fine with Stonewatch having no pve route for destro as long as black crag (or any other single destro fort) has no PVR route for order. Consider this a suggestion to make a list of keep access specifics and compare it across the realms before fixing any single one.
P.S. hatreds way has a mirror in eataine right keep, where order can get in through the river being pve flagged almost all the time, either fix both or leave both as they are. Or rather it actually seems logical to me that end zones are harder to take than other zones, and easy keep access sounds like a reasonable way of illustrating it. Make a toon on destro, play it to rank 40, test all the keeps, check how easy/hard they are to access. Not saying you aren't correct, just that you might be lacking some information on the subject.

[Kaeldrick]

You do not have to try it just watch my twitch feed about the 1hr and 23 minute mark.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1287240154

Thanks for video. On that keep, Order can also use the waterfall way to enter postern.

Anyway, the fact is here : it's frustrating for both sides so it's a problem of QoL on server. Lately I've seen some posts from staff about QoL... Maybe they should start with this simple subject instead of claiming that all is fine.

Order can not use the Waterfall to enter the keep unflagged unless they are using some speed hack I know nothing about. Most the time New Order toons fall to their death from the waterfall. My suggestion was not about how you can get into keeps from pve, it was about how you can get in a keep not rvr flagged.

So are mine in my previous posts

Flag for PvP players who enter RvR lake immediately
or
Reduce that 10 timer by half and see if it's enough

[Sulorie]

Body blocking doesn't work? Keep tight lines. They can't punt you without getting flagged. When they are stuck long enough they will be flagged.