IB Time Management proposal

[Earthcake]

Ironbreake is in no way shape or form gimped/bad/under performing or having "time issues". If you dont like how you spend your time on the IB then try another tank class out that you may like.

Ironbreaker is one of the strongest and most versetile tanks in the game already overall, so maybe having this "crutch" that you think it has (I do not agree with at all, cool math tho. couldnt care if correct or not) is needed so it simply will not become god mode.. but maybe that's what you want to play?..

Maths say they have time issues.
But you definitly proved these maths to be wrong here with your detailed analysis.
Thanks for enlightening us.

[Nekkma]

Actually, you interpret your math to mean that IBs have a "time issue". This is based on your understanding of what and IB should be able to do in the given timeframe. You have provided zero proof but rather used math to illustrated your opinion. According to you it is central to spend 3,5 global cds each 10 sec for certain skills. Another opinion could be that those buffs are so strong that to maintain full uptime you should not be able to do much else.

It is a trade off just as for BO/SM (given their mechanic there will often be gaps in buffs). Waaagh, skull thumper, follow me lead and savin me hide for instance would according to your formula be 3 globals. Is that half a global really that much of an issue in comparision? Especially given the restrictivenss of SM/BO mechanic.

[Earthcake]

Actually, you interpret your math to mean that IBs have a "time issue". This is based on your understanding of what and IB should be able to do in the given timeframe. You have provided zero proof but rather used math to illustrated your opinion. According to you it is central to spend 3,5 global cds each 10 sec for certain skills. Another opinion could be that those buffs are so strong that to maintain full uptime you should not be able to do much else.

It is a trade off just as for BO/SM (given their mechanic there will often be gaps in buffs). Waaagh, skull thumper, follow me lead and savin me hide for instance would according to your formula be 3 globals. Is that half a global really that much of an issue in comparision? Especially given the restrictivenss of SM/BO mechanic.

Do you really think IB buffs are that strong ? Parry one is super good. What other buff is that strong ?

What trade off for BO ? Does using armor debuff (or any other skill) disable your war below ? Nope, you are still providing buffs and debuffs all the time, that's not the case with IB, or if you want to do it as an IB then it is a trade off, but only for IB not for any other tank in the game.

And even if you were right on the trade off thing then according to your numbers, BO would still be superior to IB by 16.67% on skill usage.

[Drozen]

Ironbreake is in no way shape or form gimped/bad/under performing or having "time issues". If you dont like how you spend your time on the IB then try another tank class out that you may like.

Ironbreaker is one of the strongest and most versetile tanks in the game already overall, so maybe having this "crutch" that you think it has (I do not agree with at all, cool math tho. couldnt care if correct or not) is needed so it simply will not become god mode.. but maybe that's what you want to play?..

Maths say they have time issues.
But you definitly proved these maths to be wrong here with your detailed analysis.
Thanks for enlightening us.

NO maths needed, this is l2p issues (dont mean to talk down on you or anyone else). Half of this ailities are useless and shouldnt even be slotted in the first place, dont even remember when i picked up runic shield as a example.. No proper/common specc available alowe you to afford doing so (even IF you would want to for some odd reason)

Most issues you talk about is atleast in my eyes based on judgment calls, what is needed at what point & time. Trying to use everything like you have as a example is so far from how you actually should play, but in that case i agree time is wasted but not for The reason you mentioned but of poor judgment.

Truth be told as ib you only really use a handfull of abilites most of the time (goes for alot of classes), not all of your tool kit is needed all of the time or even wanted at all.

IF you want to buff diffrent abilites cuz you think they underperform thats one thing, but claiming ib is underperforming/gimped/bad etc. cuz of reason you mentioned its not even close to True.

And to my understanding from WAR and when game was released, ib was more meant to take care of his oath friend buffing him/her etc. So by natur more a defensive oriented buff bot then The BG wich is more offensivly driven (anti magic/caster) de-buff bot wich prob explain a few of your comparising of The two diffrent classes.

[Earthcake]

Ironbreake is in no way shape or form gimped/bad/under performing or having "time issues". If you dont like how you spend your time on the IB then try another tank class out that you may like.

Ironbreaker is one of the strongest and most versetile tanks in the game already overall, so maybe having this "crutch" that you think it has (I do not agree with at all, cool math tho. couldnt care if correct or not) is needed so it simply will not become god mode.. but maybe that's what you want to play?..

Maths say they have time issues.
But you definitly proved these maths to be wrong here with your detailed analysis.
Thanks for enlightening us.

NO maths needed, this is l2p issues (dont mean to talk down on you or anyone else). Half of this ailities are useless and shouldnt even be slotted in the first place, dont even remember when i picked up runic shield as a example.. No proper/common specc available alowe you to afford doing so (even IF you would want to for some odd reason)

Most issues you talk about is atleast in my eyes based on judgment calls, what is needed at what point & time. Trying to use everything like you have as a example is so far from how you actually should play, but in that case i agree time is wasted but not for The reason you mentioned but of poor judgment.

Truth be told as ib you only really use a handfull of abilites most of the time (goes for alot of classes), not all of your tool kit is needed all of the time or even wanted at all.

IF you want to buff diffrent abilites cuz you think they underperform thats one thing, but claiming ib is underperforming/gimped/bad etc. cuz of reason you mentioned its not even close to True.

And to my understanding from WAR and when game was released, ib was more meant to take care of his oath friend buffing him/her etc. So by natur more a defensive oriented buff bot then The BG wich is more offensivly driven (anti magic/caster) de-buff bot wich prob explain a few of your comparising of The two diffrent classes.

Yeah, let's not use any ability then there no time problem anymore ! Thank you !

[Nekkma]

Actually, you interpret your math to mean that IBs have a "time issue". This is based on your understanding of what and IB should be able to do in the given timeframe. You have provided zero proof but rather used math to illustrated your opinion. According to you it is central to spend 3,5 global cds each 10 sec for certain skills. Another opinion could be that those buffs are so strong that to maintain full uptime you should not be able to do much else.

It is a trade off just as for BO/SM (given their mechanic there will often be gaps in buffs). Waaagh, skull thumper, follow me lead and savin me hide for instance would according to your formula be 3 globals. Is that half a global really that much of an issue in comparision? Especially given the restrictivenss of SM/BO mechanic.

Do you really think IB buffs are that strong ? Parry one is super good. What other buff is that strong ?

What trade off for BO ? Does using armor debuff (or any other skill) disable your war below ? Nope, you are still providing buffs and debuffs all the time, that's not the case with IB, or if you want to do it as an IB then it is a trade off, but only for IB not for any other tank in the game.

And even if you were right on the trade off thing then according to your numbers, BO would still be superior to IB by 16.67% on skill usage.

That was not the point. The poiunt was that you claimed to have proved the "time issue" with math, which you have not. The fact that you now go on discussing how good certain skills are just further stress the popint that you only provide your opinion regarding balance and that there is no objective "time issue".

Regardning trade offs, everytime you use an ability there is a tradeoff if there are another ability you could have used instead. Yoy can use armor debuff, ws buff or snare (with plan change) as opener for instance, all are usefull but you cannot use all (or if you do you instead skip better abilities such as waagh and skulle thumper).

[Earthcake]

That was not the point. The poiunt was that you claimed to have proved the "time issue" with math, which you have not. The fact that you now go on discussing how good certain skills are just further stress the popint that you only provide your opinion regarding balance and that there is no objective "time issue".

Regardning trade offs, everytime you use an ability there is a tradeoff if there are another ability you could have used instead. Yoy can use armor debuff, ws buff or snare (with plan change) as opener for instance, all are usefull but you cannot use all (or if you do you instead skip better abilities such as waagh and skulle thumper).

I actually did. My point is that other tanks can use skills AND buff (or debuff) all the time. Only IB cannot, no matter how good you are, the game mechanics don't allow you to do it, period.
This is the trade off I'm talking about, which you clearly didn't understand since you think I'm talking about choosing one skill over another one.

Also funny that you mention that I'm now discussing how good certain skills are, when I'm only answering to you cause YOU are the one that brought that up...

[Nekkma]

That was not the point. The poiunt was that you claimed to have proved the "time issue" with math, which you have not. The fact that you now go on discussing how good certain skills are just further stress the popint that you only provide your opinion regarding balance and that there is no objective "time issue".

Regardning trade offs, everytime you use an ability there is a tradeoff if there are another ability you could have used instead. Yoy can use armor debuff, ws buff or snare (with plan change) as opener for instance, all are usefull but you cannot use all (or if you do you instead skip better abilities such as waagh and skulle thumper).

I actually did. My point is that other tanks can use skills AND buff (or debuff) all the time. Only IB cannot, no matter how good you are, the game mechanics don't allow you to do it, period.
This is the trade off I'm talking about, which you clearly didn't understand since you think I'm talking about choosing one skill over another one.

Also funny that you mention that I'm now discussing how good certain skills are, when I'm only answering to you cause YOU are the one that brought that up...

No, you did not. You privided your opinion of what skills are essential to use as an IB and based on that you create a time issue for yourself. As Drooze pointed out you do not need to use the skills you listed all the time. They are situational in the sense that there will be situations where they are not as good as other skills. It makes as much sense that claiming shamans have a time issue becuase cycling 2 hots on all 6 groupmembers makes you unable to cast any other skills like ap drain puddle etc. It is technically correct but no sane shaman would ever play like that so the argument is moot.

[Earthcake]

No, you did not. You privided your opinion of what skills are essential to use as an IB and based on that you create a time issue for yourself. As Drooze pointed out you do not need to use the skills you listed all the time. They are situational in the sense that there will be situations where they are not as good as other skills. It makes as much sense that claiming shamans have a time issue becuase cycling 2 hots on all 6 groupmembers makes you unable to cast any other skills like ap drain puddle etc. It is technically correct but no sane shaman would ever play like that so the argument is moot.

Then read again (only 3rd time), what I am saying is that IB cannot buff his group AND use other abilities at the same time, other tanks can.
And yes I did prove that with the numbers.

[Nekkma]

No, you did not. You privided your opinion of what skills are essential to use as an IB and based on that you create a time issue for yourself. As Drooze pointed out you do not need to use the skills you listed all the time. They are situational in the sense that there will be situations where they are not as good as other skills. It makes as much sense that claiming shamans have a time issue becuase cycling 2 hots on all 6 groupmembers makes you unable to cast any other skills like ap drain puddle etc. It is technically correct but no sane shaman would ever play like that so the argument is moot.

Then read again (only 3rd time), what I am saying is that IB cannot buff his group AND use other abilities at the same time, other tanks can.
And yes I did prove that with the numbers.

Indeed. So yet again, you did not prove anything with math outside the realm of the parameters you set yourself. OP seems very longwinding for a decade old aura whine.