so let me understand this

[Grock]

The game doesn't revolve around shamans and WLs you know? There are other people who also want to play and have an actual chance to win a fight, instead of feeling like you operating an NPC

Run awy nerf is long overdue and its not enough, shamans are still bane of roaming in this game and ruin it for everyone else, they can still stomp most order classes with little effort

AMs aren't much better but at least they can't just run away while auto-detaunting until they can reset the fight on their own terms

[Bobbiom]

Shaman's and SH's kites everything in this game and WL counters them or that was the idea at some point in time.
WL still only got 5s duration on their snare which got nerfed last year.

[knick]

And FYI pounce have also a cd unless you use loner tactic. Actual a even equipt Shaman can kill easy a WL. Dot-> ap steal->detaunt-> self-heal-> repeat. WL have the worst healdebuff and it's the only one sitting at 13p in a path nobody uses. So in the end in 1v1 it's nearly impossible for WL to kill a Shaman. I mean as long as he find his detaunt button.

[Everdin]

A front loaded WL rr80 will have ap pots.. they just need 1 rotation. I swear these comments are all from Order players. Pounce is a gap closer, they also have charge, and their Lion will out run any shaman. There was already a slim chance of escape, now it's just brutal.

I would say that all complains about lions come from destro players, so what is the point here? You mix up all abilitys from lion to get it in a point where it justifies that you loose against them because you are not knowing what to do.

If a lion without pet is killing you with one rotation while pouncing behind you, you should think about your gear!
If a lion without pet is killing you over time because he can follow you after pounce even without any ability to control you, you should think about your movement!
If a lion can endless pounce you, killing you with one rotation aftere a bunch of pounces, snare, charge etc your movement was maybe ok, but you should check your abilitys for the ap drain, lion has a big AP problem in long fights even without get drained
If a lion has a pet, is solo speced, and has a fast pet (need a tactic for this) that get's you in knock down, you are maybe cas food, depending on.. your gear and escape skills. The outcomming of this fights depends a lot on who of you is the better player.

Must be hart for you not to easy kill every enemy. Not coming away easy if you **** up the beginning of a fight is the reallity for all other classes, except gobbos.

[havartii]

If you wanted to be fair you would put a 10 sec cooldown on pounce.. then we would see real tears from Order.

It literally has exactly this. Glad you find it fair.

Yes i would love a loner spec on shaman that lets me spam run away

[Everdin]

If you wanted to be fair you would put a 10 sec cooldown on pounce.. then we would see real tears from Order.

It literally has exactly this. Glad you find it fair.

Yes i would love a loner spec on shaman that lets me spam run away

so...give everyone pounce and run away? Good news, regarding pounce, they are working on it!

[Karl]

On my WL i almost never catch a Shammy - and i never ever catch a Shammy who knows what it is doing... bring back 65 ft pounce pls.

[Kloaner]

What will people cry if Odjira comes with LotD and RP & Zeal will running around on Speed while spamming Flash Heal and laughing their asses off at Mdps.

If they would make Heal shaman & AM usable for groups and give them some really useful tactics for groups (Hello other healers) then you might see less Dps gank shamans. And if a Mdps get killed by a pure Heal Shaman in oRvR, go delete your Account.

[Twyxx]

This all sounds like l2p issue

[Sulorie]

....
Run awy nerf is long overdue and its not enough, shamans are still bane of roaming in this game and ruin it for everyone else,
...

With roaming you mean solo play? As for group play it doesn't matter, there are plenty tools to stop kiters.