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emiliorv
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#41 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:38 am

Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:12 am Our Choppas without Rampage tend to out damage most similar geared Slayers as their burst is a bit better especially when combined with init debuff from other class like Mara
slayers (all order in general) have access to +5% crit buff from kotbs, that probably compensate the inir debuff....also the init debuff is cleansable (like ID you know?)

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Kalakaa
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#42 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:54 am

emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:38 am
Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:12 am Our Choppas without Rampage tend to out damage most similar geared Slayers as their burst is a bit better especially when combined with init debuff from other class like Mara
slayers (all order in general) have access to +5% crit buff from kotbs, that probably compensate the inir debuff....also the init debuff is cleansable (like ID you know?)

That is +chance to crit rather than -reduction chance of being crit, so init debuff isn't affected, and Choppa with Stab You Gooder is going to be putting out some good burst, if you have a BO in group and you are being fed AP along side Keep on Choppin then you can use Wild Choppin for some big aoe numbers and burst bigger than anything a Slayer can put out.

emiliorv
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#43 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:04 am

Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:54 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:38 am
Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:12 am Our Choppas without Rampage tend to out damage most similar geared Slayers as their burst is a bit better especially when combined with init debuff from other class like Mara
slayers (all order in general) have access to +5% crit buff from kotbs, that probably compensate the inir debuff....also the init debuff is cleansable (like ID you know?)
That is +chance to crit rather than -reduction chance of being crit,
The result its the same:
-slayer get increased the chance to crit beause get buffed
-choppa get increased the chance to crit because targets got ini debuffed

Also ini debuff can be cleansed...why you say that ID can be countered cleansing but not ini debuff?

Go play the game and stop to play in the character builder...

Kalakaa
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#44 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:11 am

emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:04 am
Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:54 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:38 am

slayers (all order in general) have access to +5% crit buff from kotbs, that probably compensate the inir debuff....also the init debuff is cleansable (like ID you know?)
That is +chance to crit rather than -reduction chance of being crit,
The result its the same:
-slayer get increased the chance to crit beause get buffed
-choppa get increased the chance to crit because targets got ini debuffed

Also ini debuff can be cleansed...why you say that ID can be countered cleansing but not ini debuff?

Go play the game and stop to play in the character builder...

Because Choppa puts out larger crit damage because of theirr crit tactic, so crit means more to Choppa than Slayer. And Destro healers can cleanse ID more easily than Order can cleanse init debuff primarily because of Chop Fasta and BO

I think you should probably try play at the higher level with a good team who all know what they are doing and see how these things play out. Slayer looks like the hero because of its numbers, so on scoreboard it is doing more tank damage, but kills not necessarily higher than Choppa and also Choppa brings a lot to the table which often doesn't show up on scoreboards

emiliorv
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#45 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:19 am

Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:11 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:04 am
Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:54 am
That is +chance to crit rather than -reduction chance of being crit,
The result its the same:
-slayer get increased the chance to crit beause get buffed
-choppa get increased the chance to crit because targets got ini debuffed

Also ini debuff can be cleansed...why you say that ID can be countered cleansing but not ini debuff?

Go play the game and stop to play in the character builder...
I think you should probably try play at the higher level with a good team
oh man, you mean like you?? tell me how much you played at a higher level with a good team in this 11 days??

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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#46 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:20 am

emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:19 am
Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:11 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:04 am

The result its the same:
-slayer get increased the chance to crit beause get buffed
-choppa get increased the chance to crit because targets got ini debuffed

Also ini debuff can be cleansed...why you say that ID can be countered cleansing but not ini debuff?

Go play the game and stop to play in the character builder...
I think you should probably try play at the higher level with a good team
oh man, you mean like you?? tell me how much you played at a higher level with a good team in this 11 days??

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Ok dude, if you want to be like that and not discuss actual game i'm out

emiliorv
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#47 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:27 am

Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:20 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:19 am
Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:11 am I think you should probably try play at the higher level with a good team
oh man, you mean like you?? tell me how much you played at a higher level with a good team in this 11 days??

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Ok dude, if you want to be like that and not discuss actual game i'm out
cmon, dont be shy...im always up to learn from more experienced players.

Now tell me how much time did you played "at a higher level with a good team" in this last 11 days here in ROR?? im curious and wanna learn from your experience.

M0rw47h
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#48 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:29 am

emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:38 am
Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:12 am Our Choppas without Rampage tend to out damage most similar geared Slayers as their burst is a bit better especially when combined with init debuff from other class like Mara
slayers (all order in general) have access to +5% crit buff from kotbs, that probably compensate the inir debuff....also the init debuff is cleansable (like ID you know?)
Order thas more than one AoE ini debuff tbh, most common would be AM puddle and 2nd would be WH using BBoP combined with DG to apply bullet to all targets.
You can stack up to ~20% extra crit by stacking Dirty Tricks, Overpowering Swing and ini debuff all together, but well, grass is greener on the otter side.
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Kalakaa
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#49 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:37 am

emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:27 am
cmon, dont be shy...im always up to learn from more experienced players.

Now tell me how much time did you played "at a higher level with a good team" in this last 11 days here in ROR?? im curious and wanna learn from your experience.
If you want some Choppa tips maybe speak to Orksofekrund, Slashaboyz, Ummuruk or Crawl, they have no problem beating Slayers in both damage and DB's. I mostly play DOK but we discuss how to get the best out of each class when we play. Not really interested in a RR measuring contest, you can either listen to how people win and use what you have been given to come out on top or keep moaning out what the enemy has and lose, up to you.

emiliorv
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#50 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:00 pm

Kalakaa wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:37 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:27 am
cmon, dont be shy...im always up to learn from more experienced players.

Now tell me how much time did you played "at a higher level with a good team" in this last 11 days here in ROR?? im curious and wanna learn from your experience.
I mostly play DOK
when you say mostly you mean 10 days from the total 11?? or what? im still curious how a experienced player have a recent account...

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