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emiliorv
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#31 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:50 am

Sundowner wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:40 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:26 am
teiloh wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:30 am

It absolutely is overrated. 1050 Str and bonuses from items will get you enough strikethrough that unless you're a Chosen with ridiculous 70-80% essentially passive parry it's not going to be a huge damage increase.
yeah, lets not talk about block and dodge....rampage drop to 0% the chance to parry/block/dodge of all the hitted targets + his tanks guarding, but yes...its absolutely overrated.
I think you misunderstand how rampage works
I messed with the dodge, for the rest tell me whats wrong?

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Sundowner
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#32 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:52 am

emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:50 am
Sundowner wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:40 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:26 am

yeah, lets not talk about block and dodge....rampage drop to 0% the chance to parry/block/dodge of all the hitted targets + his tanks guarding, but yes...its absolutely overrated.
I think you misunderstand how rampage works
I messed with the dodge, for the rest tell me whats wrong?
Rampage increases slayers block/parry strikethrough to 100%, not drops enemy's to 0%, someone already told you that

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agemennon675
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#33 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:54 am

There is also another way to increase block/parry strike-through by%100, its called moving behind the enemy pro gamer move
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emiliorv
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#34 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:04 am

Sundowner wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:52 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:50 am
Sundowner wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:40 am

I think you misunderstand how rampage works
I messed with the dodge, for the rest tell me whats wrong?
Rampage increases slayers block/parry strikethrough to 100%, not drops enemy's to 0%, someone already told you that
LOL, well...the result its the same => you have 0% chance to block/parry vs the slayer under rampage (all his targets + guarded dmg from tanks)

emiliorv
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#35 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:05 am

agemennon675 wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:54 am There is also another way to increase block/parry strike-through by%100, its called moving behind the enemy pro gamer move
only work vs target, the guarded dmg will go check to block/parry from tank

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agemennon675
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#36 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:10 am

emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:05 am
agemennon675 wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:54 am There is also another way to increase block/parry strike-through by%100, its called moving behind the enemy pro gamer move
only work vs target, the guarded dmg will go check to block/parry from tank
Yeap and I agree it would be better if it didnt work like that, puts too much pressure on multiple targets but its what it is
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Sundowner
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#37 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:34 am

emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:04 am
Sundowner wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:52 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:50 am

I messed with the dodge, for the rest tell me whats wrong?
Rampage increases slayers block/parry strikethrough to 100%, not drops enemy's to 0%, someone already told you that
LOL, well...the result its the same => you have 0% chance to block/parry vs the slayer under rampage (all his targets + guarded dmg from tanks)
What you wrote means something very different from what you imply tho. no vs slayer under rampage was mentioned in your post

emiliorv
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#38 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:52 am

Sundowner wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:34 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:04 am
Sundowner wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:52 am

Rampage increases slayers block/parry strikethrough to 100%, not drops enemy's to 0%, someone already told you that
LOL, well...the result its the same => you have 0% chance to block/parry vs the slayer under rampage (all his targets + guarded dmg from tanks)
What you wrote means something very different from what you imply tho. no vs slayer under rampage was mentioned in your post
Lol assumed that only apply to rampaged slayer...its a slayer buff not a target debuff...

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emiliorv
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#39 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:55 am

agemennon675 wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:10 am
emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:05 am
agemennon675 wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:54 am There is also another way to increase block/parry strike-through by%100, its called moving behind the enemy pro gamer move
only work vs target, the guarded dmg will go check to block/parry from tank
Yeap and I agree it would be better if it didnt work like that, puts too much pressure on multiple targets but its what it is
Its what its here in ROR, never worked like that on live (the change of guard mechanic its a ROR feature)...and ofc never with a 24 target cap... But still you will find ppl arguing that "its like that for over 12 years"...well no.

Kalakaa
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#40 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:12 am

Our Choppas without Rampage tend to out damage most similar geared Slayers as their burst is a bit better especially when combined with init debuff from other class like Mara, so I don't see Rampage being as good as many people here seem to think it is. Most top Slayers are using it to apply ID to many targets which you can cleanse if you know what to look for. If they use it to spam Flurry then that is damage which you can heal through easily. If they use it before Retribution you interrupt the channel. If your tanks don't know what they are doing or are running under 10k wounds in loldps builds then I can see it being an issue as the tanks will die before the dps.

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