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inoeth
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#21 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:35 am

just play the content, get rich or die tryin

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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#22 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:08 pm

This is classic. The bad players tend to flock to the winning side. What then happens is the fun part: They starting to lose there as well due to the masses of bad players and the other side which got now rid of the bad players is now dominating. Rinse repeat. This goes on forever.

Without the lockout timer it used to happen a lot faster. In t1 when you have won like 10 SCs in a row you are suddenly starting to lose because there are now tons of low level noobs in your group.

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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#23 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:50 pm

teiloh wrote: Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:13 am
emiliorv wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:45 pm
Banjomissen wrote: Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:14 pm While the devs have the code open they might as well give choppas rampage. Destro has waited long enough... perhaps it could be a group wide buff? 100yr range.
Bah rampage is absolutely overrated...9/10 slayers dont use it, probably the most useless 5 pt ability.
You may want to look up the definition of overrated.
Read YOUR OWN QUOTE in my signature....ironic eh? LMAO

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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#24 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:30 am

emiliorv wrote: Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:50 pm Read YOUR OWN QUOTE in my signature....ironic eh? LMAO
Overrated = means its rated too highly

Doesn't mean it's bad.

It absolutely is overrated. 1050 Str and bonuses from items will get you enough strikethrough that unless you're a Chosen with ridiculous 70-80% essentially passive parry it's not going to be a huge damage increase.

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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#25 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:29 am

teiloh wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:30 am
emiliorv wrote: Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:50 pm Read YOUR OWN QUOTE in my signature....ironic eh? LMAO
Overrated = means its rated too highly

Doesn't mean it's bad.

It absolutely is overrated. 1050 Str and bonuses from items will get you enough strikethrough that unless you're a Chosen with ridiculous 70-80% essentially passive parry it's not going to be a huge damage increase.
I dont understand why anyone would compare strikethru from str/items to rampage : D Problem is that challenge's dont matter because slayers can spam 24 aoe flurry and in few seconds get rid of the 30 % dmg nerf from challenge. Also negating all avoidances and how guard works now it makes the ability insanely powerful. Run away is amazing as well, i would love that SW's swift strikes would be given to AM but it would heal your grp like 500 per tick 3 times while fleeing away at the same time from the melee's trying to kill the am, maybe add 10 % aoe snare on it as well. Also green an cleanin / ishas encouragement needs to be whole grp. Change gork'l fix it and healing energy to bigger amount without the hot but add to those 2 skills shaman's pass it on tactic like mechanic, that it has 25 % chance to heal 2 person around the one you heal for small amount.
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teiloh
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#26 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:55 am

afaik 1050 STR against 80% parry on Chosen would drop that down to 55%ish on its own, and then there is usually 6-10% additional passive strikethrough from items.

Then add in something like Furious Howl (Destro-only melee advantage) and Pierce Defenses and it should go down to 20%.

Against un-cced, undebuffed, unshattered Chosen who have way more Parry than they should have, it'd increase your hit rate by roughly 25% from the front, as the most extreme example. This is a big boost but not a game-breaker. There's always Numbing Strike (tho it's on a 60s timer), using undefendable attacks, or simply hitting from behind, etc.

Changing it to an on-demand 25% buff rather than rage-dependent might not affect the skill too much, other than hitting through CM.

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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#27 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:26 am

teiloh wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:30 am
emiliorv wrote: Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:50 pm Read YOUR OWN QUOTE in my signature....ironic eh? LMAO
It absolutely is overrated. 1050 Str and bonuses from items will get you enough strikethrough that unless you're a Chosen with ridiculous 70-80% essentially passive parry it's not going to be a huge damage increase.
yeah, lets not talk about block...rampage drop to 0% the chance to parry/block of all the hitted targets + his tanks guarding, but yes...its absolutely overrated.
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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#28 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:40 am

emiliorv wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:26 am
teiloh wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:30 am
emiliorv wrote: Tue Feb 09, 2021 12:50 pm Read YOUR OWN QUOTE in my signature....ironic eh? LMAO
It absolutely is overrated. 1050 Str and bonuses from items will get you enough strikethrough that unless you're a Chosen with ridiculous 70-80% essentially passive parry it's not going to be a huge damage increase.
yeah, lets not talk about block and dodge....rampage drop to 0% the chance to parry/block/dodge of all the hitted targets + his tanks guarding, but yes...its absolutely overrated.
I think you misunderstand how rampage works

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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#29 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:40 am

It doesn't do anything to dodge chance, it's not a debuff applied on enemies, it's a buff to the slayer's attacks.

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Re: Order OP please nerf

Post#30 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:47 am

Earthcake wrote: Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:40 am It doesn't do anything to dodge chance, it's not a debuff applied on enemies, it's a buff to the slayer's attacks.
yup messed with dodge...edited my original post to correct

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