T2

[PartizanRUS]

* Attackers trying to retake are rewarded for all failed attempts (encourages fighting)
* Outnumbered defenders are rewarded for making a last stand instead of running (encourages fighting)
* AAO is used to increase renown for an outnumbered side

* AAO is used to reduce renown thus starving the blob to death

AAO could work this way to engcourace big blob to split and move to other zone 2, but what if other zone 2 is almost empty already. So if defenders don't want to split up because they are getting good renown in zone 1 we can have the same old pve situation. Group or two versus keep lord for example.

[Vigfuss]

If the devs can pull this off it would be amazing. But a simple solution without the need for a ton of coding might be better.

[Tesq]

* Attackers trying to retake are rewarded for all failed attempts (encourages fighting)
* Outnumbered defenders are rewarded for making a last stand instead of running (encourages fighting)
* AAO is used to increase renown for an outnumbered side

* AAO is used to reduce renown thus starving the blob to death

AAO could work this way to engcourace big blob to split and move to other zone 2, but what if other zone 2 is almost empty already. So if defenders don't want to split up because they are getting good renown in zone 1 we can have the same old pve situation. Group or two versus keep lord for example.

That's why there is skirmish in vp contribution atm, or there will be no reason for that, and also that's why i suggested to make skirmish contribuite less based on aao, that way all get the same renow based on what they do still they cannot achive lock if there are too much zerg.


Population ain't gona be a problem now and de-bolster can solve a lot of population problem in future.

[Bozzax]

The only way you can gurantee balanced zones is by hard login cap and flightmaster cap but then you better be prepared to have realm character transfers as well.

I prefer making blobing being badly rewarded and give carrots to those who put up a fight. At least in the "bad" scenario one zone may be balanced and one unbalanced

[Bozzax]

Blobs exist mainly because it is more profitable to join one then fight one. The steady flow of renown coming from accelerated capture ticks is the enabler

[Sulorie]

Being underdog with a good group gives more renown. People play the zerging side, because individual skill isn't relevant. They get renown for doing nothing.

[Azarael]

Has nobody suggested artillery yet? Nothing better for breaking up a mass.

[Tesq]

The only way you can gurantee balanced zones is by hard login cap and flightmaster cap but then you better be prepared to have realm character transfers as well.

I prefer making blobing being badly rewarded and give carrots to those who put up a fight. At least in the "bad" scenario one zone may be balanced and one unbalanced

I dont think so, ppl gather togheter cos is more easy lock a zone if you prevent them to do so zerg loose meaning, let em wait 20 min to lock a zone if not fight

While in those 20+ min some good party can take 1 bo back and let em waste totaly the zerg and waiting. while they maybe loose other 2 zone lock. Spread became mandatory if you do not want other zone while your lock after a tons of time.
You can base lock timer even on aao.

Has nobody suggested artillery yet? Nothing better for breaking up a mass.

please nothing like wc cannons.... they are a freely total destruction tool not like they make game better in anyway

[Azarael]

The concept of artillery in terms of breaking up a mass is not implemented by one-shot cannons. It's implemented by having a long range tool which is inaccurate and deals good AoE damage.

If you want to break up a zerg, you need to punish the idea of putting a lot of players in a single area of the map.

[Tesq]

The concept of artillery in terms of breaking up a mass is not implemented by one-shot cannons. It's implemented by having a long range tool which is inaccurate and deals good AoE damage.

If you want to break up a zerg, you need to punish the idea of putting a lot of players in a single area of the map.

I understand this but you will end punish even good mass situation like keep siege, aoe cannos were not accurate, the final position where the hitted was randomize by the "wind" .....try ask ppl what they thinkg when they got 2 -shoot from near the keep by the cannons from wc, terrible............
If you make such weapon able to be put freely or even put them to fire near Sensible postion inside rvr lake , you just make keep/bo impossible to take as those are situation where there is mass vs mass.
Aoe cannon were alredy present in game but none want the same kind of cannon of 1.4.0, pre 1.4.0 aoe cannons were good maybe little low damage but good.

This is a RVR game mass is required to achive something sometimes, it became a problem when it got exploited vs low enemy numbers. You need to not let this happen not punish the mass x se.