On Cities Starvation, Population Disparity and Classes Balance

[Sundowner]

Sure, but Order has more tools to help their team and be tanky. Lets not pretend they dont.

Yeah, but you won't make people play tanks because they are good in wb setting, some solo/small-scale appeal should be there.

Okay then, both IB and SM have very good DPS specs. There ya go.

Yet much more people play BO and BG. because half of IB skills are buffs which do no damage and SM is just BO but weaker.

[Ysaran]

except destro can dps+mitigate, not only dps

Sure, but Order has more tools to help their team and be tanky. Lets not pretend they dont.

Yeah, but you won't make people play tanks because they are good in wb setting, some solo/small-scale appeal should be there.

well, IB it's the king of smallscale. Also, SM is extremely strong. Its damage output is incredible and can really make the differences in SCs, specially in Ranked

[Ysaran]

Yeah, but you won't make people play tanks because they are good in wb setting, some solo/small-scale appeal should be there.

Okay then, both IB and SM have very good DPS specs. There ya go.

Yet much more people play BO and BG. because half of IB skills are buffs which do no damage and SM is just BO but weaker.

lol, its 3 buffs with no damage. only one is core. plz don't talk about things you don't know.

[Sundowner]

Sure, but Order has more tools to help their team and be tanky. Lets not pretend they dont.

Yeah, but you won't make people play tanks because they are good in wb setting, some solo/small-scale appeal should be there.

well, IB it's the king of smallscale. Also, SM is extremely strong. Its damage output is incredible and can really make the differences in SCs, specially in Ranked

BG is very good in solo roam, does more dmg than IB, brings very good group debuffs, is the best tank in ranked. again, SM is BO but weaker in some aspects and probably a bit harder to play

[Onigokko0101]

Okay then, both IB and SM have very good DPS specs. There ya go.

Yet much more people play BO and BG. because half of IB skills are buffs which do no damage and SM is just BO but weaker.

lol, its 3 buffs with no damage. only one is core. plz don't talk about things you don't know.

I think you are the one that dosent know what they are talking about. A well geared IB can hurt massive burst numbers (2k+ on a single ability).

[Ysaran]

Yet much more people play BO and BG. because half of IB skills are buffs which do no damage and SM is just BO but weaker.

lol, its 3 buffs with no damage. only one is core. plz don't talk about things you don't know.

I think you are the one that dosent know what they are talking about. A well geared IB can hurt massive burst numbers (2k+ on a single ability).

i agree with you, this is what i was talking about. You have planty of buff, just some deals no damage, not a drama.

[Ysaran]

Yeah, but you won't make people play tanks because they are good in wb setting, some solo/small-scale appeal should be there.

well, IB it's the king of smallscale. Also, SM is extremely strong. Its damage output is incredible and can really make the differences in SCs, specially in Ranked

BG is very good in solo roam, does more dmg than IB, brings very good group debuffs, is the best tank in ranked. again, SM is BO but weaker in some aspects and probably a bit harder to play

Even if what you wrote were true (and this is not the place to debate it), you complained about a lack of "small-scale utility", but neither IB nor SM suffer from this supposed lack. Actually, the main IB's complaint is that it lack large-scale utility. So I think this is not the problem

[Sundowner]

well, IB it's the king of smallscale. Also, SM is extremely strong. Its damage output is incredible and can really make the differences in SCs, specially in Ranked

BG is very good in solo roam, does more dmg than IB, brings very good group debuffs, is the best tank in ranked. again, SM is BO but weaker in some aspects and probably a bit harder to play

Even if what you wrote were true (and this is not the place to debate it), you complained about a lack of "small-scale utility", but neither IB nor SM suffer from this supposed lack. Actually, the main IB's complaint is that it lack large-scale utility. So I think this is not the problem

I did not really say anything about small-scale utility, I say how fun class is in small-scale, and being buff bot is not one of them. There was post several days ago calculating how much time IB spends buffing and not doing damage and it was petty dissproportional

[puzzolamistica]

imo they need to rework 2h knight and bg snb, then they need to give a single target punt to sm and bo, then maybe all tanks can become balanced and playable in every aspect of the game.
imo evry class should have a viable spec for solo roaming/6man/wb play.
a lot of destro class have it wile order dosent.

[phononHYPE]

[... I just want to play the "good" guys rather than the "Evil" guys...

You know there are no 'good guys' in Warhammer right? The Empire is a controlling death cult with secret police, the elves are an anarchistic lot living in their ancient glory days with a horrible rot at their core, and the lovable dwarves are isolationist xenophobes. Destruction side is, well obviously just as good, maybe they enjoy things a bit more than they should, all good. Playing for looks is fine and dandy, it's how I roll. Just don't confuse Gimli for Gotrek, they are different species.