[CHOPPA] GTDC replacement

[oaliaen]

They try to advocate for their class to keep in better place than his mirror...its completely understandable...

[Orgruk]

I just do not understand this moment. It's just part of the game. That is, what do you want the podium, where the knocks took place and everyone applauded you?

Soryy, maybe my bad english, I'll try to sum up in a better way.

What I wanted to say is that you can't judge a class potential basing on very long fights like we see in cities where a character tends to reach zergillions dmg may it be due to : a gear tailored for it, good guard, excellent healers, etc. or just the time itself (the longer you fight, the longer your dots can ticks, etc.)


In my opinion this should be stated based upon shorter fights like the ones you encounter in small parties/warbands or in open RvR.

I don't know for everyone else but in cities I have :
- a specific set of tactics
- a specific gear (even if I run a bunch of tests )
- a specific build of Mastery Point

But I can't run these in open RvR, Scenarios, Roaming parties or Solo just because it would'nt be useful or purely sucks.



Sorry if you misunderstood what I tend to say the first time due to my bad english, hope it's much clear right now.

[hammerhead]

What I wanted to say is that you can't judge a class potential basing on very long fights like we see in cities where a character tends to reach zergillions dmg may it be due to : a gear tailored for it, good guard, excellent healers, etc. or just the time itself (the longer you fight, the longer your dots can ticks, etc.)

Above, people wrote that in the city they sometimes even cannot leave the respawn. I don't think that the game should have a specific build of a specific class for a specific style of play (and as I understand it, you want to return that specific bomb style that leaves no chance from the first seconds of the battle?). The duration of any fight is a sum of factors and shouldn't be predicted so easily.
I might agree that Choppa should have a block/parry break, but you should understand that such a feature should satisfy risk/reward philosophy. That is, even BW/Sorc can burn themselves to the ground while standing in relative safety.

Found the video I was talking about earlier. It's good that this state of affairs does not affect the overall picture, because as far as I remember, the GTDC in the form that it existed appeared precisely on the 6x6 balance. Although this is where in my opinion it is least useful (from 1:50).


https://youtu.be/ttTDVNzEZvA?t=6600

[Orgruk]

Above, people wrote that in the city they sometimes even cannot leave the respawn. I don't think that the game should have a specific build of a specific class for a specific style of play (and as I understand it, you want to return that specific bomb style that leaves no chance from the first seconds of the battle?). The duration of any fight is a sum of factors and shouldn't be predicted so easily.

We both agree on this point : I hate to have to switch for one set/build/template to another for a specific part of the game, and thus imho cities shouldn't enter he equation of balance at all. But that's only my point of view.

I might agree that Choppa should have a block/parry break, but you should understand that such a feature should satisfy risk/reward philosophy. That is, even BW/Sorc can burn themselves to the ground while standing in relative safety.

Maybe the block/parry break could be added, but I think it could be too much game breaking, and that's not the most important point here. Most of the high RR Choppas I know don't even bother to have a Rampage like skill added to their tools set. But an Inevitable Doom like skill instead of the dreaded GTDC is what is the most expected from Choppas ... as far as I know and discussed with other fellow greenskins.


Thanks for the link, I'll give it an eye once my kid finished her homeworks.

[BeautfulToad]

For what it is worth, I think choppa and slayer were fine and pretty good mirrors. Not sure if GTDC has been nerfed that significantly, but it was probably one of the strongest abilities in the game pre-nerf.

Maybe I am a poor player, but always thought choppa/slayer were the strongest mdps, there was not much between them and depending on how easily GTDC can be defended, that's still the case.

TBH, I expect this is more to do with choppa's superiority over other classes and not slayer.

[Gurf]

Choppa has better burst damage and group synergy/abilities, Slayer has better sustain damage. Both usually top the damage charts which is the way it should be with their mechanic, very little between them right now. Choppa is the most popular class on Des side, Slayer not so popular, probably because Des have a lot more melee and Tanks so levelling and playing a Choppa is easier at lower tiers, whereas Slayer you get focused and melted in around 2 seconds while the rest of your side sit pack and pew pew with all the Engi, BW and SW not pushing forward with you.

[hurycanlol]

Maybe the block/parry break could be added, but I think it could be too much game breaking, and that's not the most important point here. Most of the high RR Choppas I know don't even bother to have a Rampage like skill added to their tools set. But an Inevitable Doom like skill instead of the dreaded GTDC is what is the most expected from Choppas ... as far as I know and discussed with other fellow greenskins.


Thanks for the link, I'll give it an eye once my kid finished her homeworks.

U cant have everything, ID + tactique 25% crit damage + buff 35% AAspeed ????, and slayer i way more leech ap than choppa in generaly, befor the nerf GTDC Choppa could kill litterally with 2gcd any squishy, fortunately there are very few good choppa on this server

[Orgruk]

U cant have everything, ID + tactique 25% crit damage + buff 35% AAspeed ????, and slayer i way more leech ap than choppa in generaly, befor the nerf GTDC Choppa could kill litterally with 2gcd any squishy, fortunately there are very few good choppa on this server

That's why the replacement proposal is about a longer CD (so no spam) and that can be cleansed skill.


By the way could you give me the names of these Choppas if you can remember so I can have a talk with them ? I'm really triggered about this. Thanks a lot.

[StrongUn]

Dont forget slayer does not have 25% damage crit tactic, and rampage drop ur rage, it's not as op as you say

Heard about Power through tactic? No more rage drop

And what about fierce might? +10% critical damage for every 10% of HP you have lost

Try berserker slayer + spammable Inevitable doom + jagged edge + retribution + rampage and see the "OP" destro melee train melt.



If destros can kill without rampage, why order cant?
And a lot of people said rampage is not even good so i ask: so... why 100% slayers i see are using rampage?

[hurycanlol]

Dont forget slayer does not have 25% damage crit tactic, and rampage drop ur rage, it's not as op as you say

Heard about Power through tactic? No more rage drop

And what about fierce might? +10% critical damage for every 10% of HP you have lost

Try berserker slayer + spammable Inevitable doom + jagged edge + retribution + rampage and see the "OP" destro melee train melt.



If destros can kill without rampage, why order cant?
And a lot of people said rampage is not even good so i ask: so... why 100% slayers i see are using rampage?

one punt guard, and u are dead if u cant drop ur rage, its very very bad
For kill new player why not