Fix ranked sc

[ClemmonGrab]

An easy fix to the problem of "more people" would be to make Bloodlord weapons obtainable through ranked matches. Currently they are gated behind huge boring pve grind, this would offer an alternate path. Advantage is you don't need to create anything new. Dungeon grind would still be important for the armor/jewel pieces. PVP has a lack of weaponry anyway, this would solve multiple issues at once and easy to implement.

I thought I'd offer my opinion as one of the people who don't play ranked because it just isn't fun. I don't care if you put a weapon that one shots people on the rewards table, I refuse to do that mode. Putting gear behind a game mode that people do not like is just bad development. Let's not lose sight of the fact that this is first and foremost, a game.

However, I think this will all change once premade ranked is rolled out. The whole point of MMOs is playing with others, so I don't doubt for a second that we will find a lot more people enjoying group ranked.

Side note, for the record, I very much enjoy PvE. It's a great time to relax with the guild, burn some bosses, have a drink, and have fun. I love that the rewards at the end of the grind are worthwhile and BiS from many classes. Taking content from a part of the game that has more traffic and people are already finding enjoyable, is a very harmful and insulting move imo. The rewards for ranked are already imo BiS for some classes, mixed with sov, and people still aren't playing. As others have said, just make the content more enjoyable.

[kmark101]

I thought I'd offer my opinion as one of the people who don't play ranked because it just isn't fun. I don't care if you put a weapon that one shots people on the rewards table, I refuse to do that mode. Putting gear behind a game mode that people do not like is just bad development. Let's not lose sight of the fact that this is first and foremost, a game.

However, I think this will all change once premade ranked is rolled out. The whole point of MMOs is playing with others, so I don't doubt for a second that we will find a lot more people enjoying group ranked.

Side note, for the record, I very much enjoy PvE. It's a great time to relax with the guild, burn some bosses, have a drink, and have fun. I love that the rewards at the end of the grind are worthwhile and BiS from many classes. Taking content from a part of the game that has more traffic and people are already finding enjoyable, is a very harmful and insulting move imo. The rewards for ranked are already imo BiS for some classes, mixed with sov, and people still aren't playing. As others have said, just make the content more enjoyable.

So let me summarize what you are saying: you refuse to do ranked mode because you don't like it (fine) and don't want any items gated behind a game mode that you don't like (fine), yet you like pve and the gear gated behind pve (??? but you just said its bad design and you would hate the opposite way...), which game mode I don't like and feel exactly the same as you towards ranked. So who is right?

As a side note, BS weapons are truly BiS weapons, while the armor behind rankeds are medicore at best, hence the low interest.

[ClemmonGrab]

I thought I'd offer my opinion as one of the people who don't play ranked because it just isn't fun. I don't care if you put a weapon that one shots people on the rewards table, I refuse to do that mode. Putting gear behind a game mode that people do not like is just bad development. Let's not lose sight of the fact that this is first and foremost, a game.

However, I think this will all change once premade ranked is rolled out. The whole point of MMOs is playing with others, so I don't doubt for a second that we will find a lot more people enjoying group ranked.

Side note, for the record, I very much enjoy PvE. It's a great time to relax with the guild, burn some bosses, have a drink, and have fun. I love that the rewards at the end of the grind are worthwhile and BiS from many classes. Taking content from a part of the game that has more traffic and people are already finding enjoyable, is a very harmful and insulting move imo. The rewards for ranked are already imo BiS for some classes, mixed with sov, and people still aren't playing. As others have said, just make the content more enjoyable.

So let me summarize what you are saying: you refuse to do ranked mode because you don't like it (fine) and don't want any items gated behind a game mode that you don't like (fine), yet you like pve and the gear gated behind pve (??? but you just said its bad design and you would hate the opposite way...), which game mode I don't like and feel exactly the same as you towards ranked. So who is right?

As a side note, BS weapons are truly BiS weapons, while the armor behind rankeds are medicore at best, hence the low interest.

My bad, I should have phrased it better. I think REMOVING gear from a mode I"m sure more people enjoy (PvE) to a mode very few if any people enjoy (ranked) is a bad idea. I am more than fine with them copying the weapons over there under a different name, I don't think it's gonna get a significant amount of more people to play it but if that's what they wanna try then power to em.

The reason I said it would be bad game design is because I think it's a lazier fix than trying to solve the main issue, which is that it's not fun. This is all just my opinion of course.

[drmordread]

There are two problem with ranked sc's that no one has talked about, and I bet no one has even thought of.

1. In order to have success in ranked sc's you need to respec from rvr spec to a meta spec. Example, while an AoE specced BW or WL is a bonus in a WB, they completely are useless in ranked sc's.
TBH, who wants to be respeccing every time they want to change from sc to rvr (to take a keep or defend one for example)? I don't!

2. 6 man format is not as popular as the 6 man fans pretend it is. Personally, I find it boring and limiting. So how are you going to get players to que the solo ranked sc and basically do a pickup meta? It is impossible. RR ranks will be anywhere between 55 (or slightly lower) and 80 (I don't count higher than that because it has no bearing on the game). You will have that one or two inexperienced players that you have to cover for, but have never played with before, so you do not know their weaknesses.

As for the gear rewards. With 60 sc min to even qualify to buy the gear, if you have the astronomically high amount of currency, means 100% devotion to ranked solo sc's. That is not going to happen, for something the majority of the community, thinks is useless?

[Starx]

dual spec would be pretty nice, and randos wouldn't really have an excuse anymore for being in the wrong spec in city/sc etc...

I dont really see an argument against it besides the difficulty to implement/create ui elements.

[Rlyeh]

There are enough people to run several matches, but they do not start, because with the last update they added 325 restrictions. It has been going on for several weeks and it is incredibly annoying.
People are ready to play with anyone they please, with any mmr.
At the moment I was waiting for a pop of 40 minutes, the game did not start and now I'm in the new line for 20 minutes. At the same time, someone plays, 1-2 matches are started, most likely people are 1300-1600 mmr. Thanks for a great time!
The author of this topic asks, fix the ranked sc, remove these brackets. But for some reason, people came to write about something else.

[Omegus]

2. 6 man format is not as popular as the 6 man fans pretend it is. Personally, I find it boring and limiting. So how are you going to get players to que the solo ranked sc and basically do a pickup meta? It is impossible. RR ranks will be anywhere between 55 (or slightly lower) and 80 (I don't count higher than that because it has no bearing on the game). You will have that one or two inexperienced players that you have to cover for, but have never played with before, so you do not know their weaknesses.

6-man team deathmatch has always been an elite niche and it gets far more attention than it deserves.

I'd rather we had a match-making system for regular scenarios that attempts to group people of equal skill with and against each other rather than this .

[Asherdoom]

There are two problem with ranked sc's that no one has talked about, and I bet no one has even thought of.

1. In order to have success in ranked sc's you need to respec from rvr spec to a meta spec. Example, while an AoE specced BW or WL is a bonus in a WB, they completely are useless in ranked sc's.
TBH, who wants to be respeccing every time they want to change from sc to rvr (to take a keep or defend one for example)? I don't!

2. 6 man format is not as popular as the 6 man fans pretend it is. Personally, I find it boring and limiting. So how are you going to get players to que the solo ranked sc and basically do a pickup meta? It is impossible. RR ranks will be anywhere between 55 (or slightly lower) and 80 (I don't count higher than that because it has no bearing on the game). You will have that one or two inexperienced players that you have to cover for, but have never played with before, so you do not know their weaknesses.

As for the gear rewards. With 60 sc min to even qualify to buy the gear, if you have the astronomically high amount of currency, means 100% devotion to ranked solo sc's. That is not going to happen, for something the majority of the community, thinks is useless?

make this man the new ROR head he spoke the truth. Warhammer is rvr mainly not a 6v6 wow like arena mode.

[Telen]

Ive played it enough to know its just unbalanced. double doks or wp vs shamn or am forget it. rsw forget it. snb tanks forget it. ranged vs wl forget it. And I dont know how you fix that without messing with rvr balance. Id just rather be playing swtor in this format which is alot more balanced.

[toffikx]

Remove ranked, then normal scenarios. Also cities cuz they are kind of scenarios too. Then remove large scale battles, cuz they are too zergy.
Why? Because i don’t like it, therefore it’s dull and boring. Yes there will be less variety of content for people to enjoy, but i didnt think that far.
Pls devs