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Bozzax
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Re: Choppa's problems

Post#21 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:31 pm

Yep Keep on choppin AP is 100% fluff even solo.

YGS will never replace BF, Flanking, DWLF, IDB or SYG no point even trying.
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Re: Choppa's problems

Post#22 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:39 pm

Spoiler:
TenTonHammer wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:30 pm
Reesh wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:13 pm
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TenTonHammer wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:08 pm

We really gonna just leave the trash pve exhaust around?
If you meant keep on choppin, then this ability is awesome for prolonged fights, when facing proper ams that drain you out from ap properly, for mechanic rotation, and in the end for ygs procs.
I’m not gonna bother talking about how YGS is garbage again
It’s trash in its current state, choppas who know what their doing don’t use it

And your not gonna blow your rage for ap over sit down, try and hurt me, tired already, no more jealous or trying to go for a finisher with weaklin mills

Especially not when you can have zealots or chosen and DOKs provide you ap

Ap is never an issue in a group
Actually, you're going to use it when not running with 2h weapon (and obviously you are lel), with dw you have limited choices.
There is nothing wrong with this ability, other then maybe bumping its damage by 20% and reducing CD by 10s.
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Re: Choppa's problems

Post#23 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:41 pm

It is ”broken” bc the mirror offers 66% uptime undef all attacks.

AA,
AOE,
ST

That means your burst rotations or long cd abilities are 100% to land. Even gives a reasonable chance to land stuff when ppls blow avoidance morales.

1pt in mid tree is better then speccing the choppa mirror ;)
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Re: Choppa's problems

Post#24 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:55 pm

Easiest change would be revert BO Waaaagh and add a aoe damage component to chop fasta .
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Re: Choppa's problems

Post#25 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:15 pm

Grunbag wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:55 pm Easiest change would be revert BO Waaaagh and add a aoe damage component to chop fasta .
What about altering Keep on Choppin' into a 10s (20s if furious) armor penetration self buff as per Bozzax's suggestion on the previous page too? It's a pretty awful ability atm.

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Re: Choppa's problems

Post#26 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:30 pm

It’s will make choppa reach 85/100% armor pen
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Re: Choppa's problems

Post#27 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:43 pm

Problem?

So slayer 85% pen with 100% strikethrough vs chp 100% pen 0% strikethrough.

Add armor debuffs from tanks/2nd dps and guess what is still better in most cases.
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Re: Choppa's problems

Post#28 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:46 pm

Choppa had armor debuff instead of inc debuff heal in savage tree

http://web.archive.org/web/200907211800 ... 0:0:0:0:25
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Re: Choppa's problems

Post#29 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:48 pm

Well yes op as fck you could spam that ability and it stacked up to 2k (sadly cant prove it) or dont remeber correctly) Think it was changed several times at start it was called shatter armor and stacked like 5 times x 15% or somth.

AOE wise early days
on crit ini debuff + pre nerf GTDC + SYG <> ID and ramp, Flurry

Choppa changes
Gtdc damage nerf
Ini debuff changed to ws
SYG -25%

Slayer
Same?
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Re: Choppa's problems

Post#30 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:50 pm

Bozzax wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:48 pm Well yes op as fck ypu could spam that ability and it stacked up to 2k. YGS, ini debuff on crit, and SYG +50% = brokenness majora

Super broken
I don’t see it stacking . Dunno what is Op : 618 armor debuff or 100% armor pen
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