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Re: Ironbreaker stat check

Post#11 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:46 pm

kkprfx wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:42 pm
what is your chance to be crit?
Currently around the 10% mark, working to lower it.
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Re: Ironbreaker stat check

Post#12 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:10 pm

Fallenkezef wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:46 pm
kkprfx wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:42 pm
what is your chance to be crit?
Currently around the 10% mark, working to lower it.
spec fs2 atleast
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Re: Ironbreaker stat check

Post#13 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:08 pm

kkprfx wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:10 pm
Fallenkezef wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:46 pm
kkprfx wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:42 pm
what is your chance to be crit?
Currently around the 10% mark, working to lower it.
spec fs2 atleast
fs2?
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Re: Ironbreaker stat check

Post#14 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:20 pm

Glorian wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:40 pm
Eathisword wrote:
Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:40 am
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Strength is not pointless; playing 2h with no strength IS pointless. (Also, since you are running 2H I am assuming you don't play WB).
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Well listen to Volgograd. ;)
I love the 2H IB. And he is gold in SCs if teaming up with an SnB IB. Kregan and another Lad from the Oathkeepers were a devastating double team in the SCs.

For the Dwarf Warband there is a maximum of 1 or 2 Double Hand IBs for the whole warband.
A full specced Path of Vengeance IB with Axe Slam, Powered Etchings, Cave in is a nice addition.

But usually we have quite an overflow of DPS careers. And need every full guard SnB IB we can get hold off.
I have to correct our Captain a little bit.
You are a liability in warband with 2h. A full specced Vengeance IB with Axe Slam and the rest is much better with shield. The point of the spec is to survive long enough to use Axe Slam. 2h is a papertank under focus fire, hence a waste of slot (and you never use cave in in a warband anyway)
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Re: Ironbreaker stat check

Post#15 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:15 pm

kkprfx wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:10 pm
Fallenkezef wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:46 pm
kkprfx wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:42 pm
what is your chance to be crit?
Currently around the 10% mark, working to lower it.
spec fs2 atleast
This is a hard one. I've tried many things. I believe Futile Strike (FS) is not (always) warranted on 2H IB.
Reasons : there is only so much we can get of everything. We need to stack parry, dodge/disrupt, toughness, strength, resist, wounds, ini. ''Losing 15 points'' for 8% reduce chance to be crit (ctbc) prevents us from getting something else. Imo, getting those 15+ points in ini is better. Our ctbc stays a bit higher, but we are much less devastated by ini debuff.

And in my experience, if you get both (I tried often), your spec ends up like this : https://youtu.be/7NhPQjvxx8c
It looks pretty and survives a lot but you don'T/can'T really help killing stuff which is in part the point of going 2H.

Then again, it might be needed in some case. I believe there is not a single static spec that is better. It really depends. There are some period when I spec full FS/parry/ini because I get focused a lot. Then it subside, the enemies change their tactic and I can respec more offensive cause they let me alone a bit more. There is somewhat a flow to fighting on RoR, mostly because we always fight the same couple hundreds people. So in order to maximize your impact/gameplay, you need to change how you do things every so often.

You can stay defensive all the time, but you are losing on a lot when the enemy start to ignore you. Conversely, you become a liability if, when you are labeled as a squish tank and focused all the time, you don't respec more tanky to counter that.

My 2 cents.
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Re: Ironbreaker stat check

Post#16 » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:47 pm

Eathisword wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:15 pm
My 2 cents.
ABBDDHSF : there is no answer that is right all the time.
On that note:
Trial and error, aswell as your very own tests of mechanics >> copying w/e 'meta' spec around. Knowing the limits of your class is one side, knowing your limits is another one entirely.
I.e.: Even tho' WAR isn't (remotely) as complex as various other PvP games out there... there is little point in pickung up a spec from someone able to weave their buffs and manage all their CDs if you are just starting out ~ Volgo for example grew into his spec(s), and developed various approaches that a player new to the class might find underwhelming or impracticable due to lacking the whole picture.

With that said, just to be sure, even tho' it likely goes without saying:
All of my input is from a dedicated SnB IB PoV with a slight bias against 2h specs. :p
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Re: Ironbreaker stat check

Post#17 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:55 pm

Darosh wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:47 pm
Eathisword wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:15 pm
My 2 cents.
ABBDDHSF : there is no answer that is right all the time.
On that note:
Trial and error, aswell as your very own tests of mechanics >> copying w/e 'meta' spec around. Knowing the limits of your class is one side, knowing your limits is another one entirely.
I.e.: Even tho' WAR isn't (remotely) as complex as various other PvP games out there... there is little point in pickung up a spec from someone able to weave their buffs and manage all their CDs if you are just starting out ~ Volgo for example grew into his spec(s), and developed various approaches that a player new to the class might find underwhelming or impracticable due to lacking the whole picture.

With that said, just to be sure, even tho' it likely goes without saying:
All of my input is from a dedicated SnB IB PoV with a slight bias against 2h specs. :p
Yeah I watched Volgo's vids but avoided trying to copy him. I've gone my own path, worked out the rotations and management that work for me and will no doubt evolve as I go. Hell I started out trying a weird dps SnB build :lol: it's all trial and error

Main thing I want to nail down is gearing and what to shoot for.
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Re: Ironbreaker stat check

Post#18 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:42 pm

Fallenkezef wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 3:55 pm
Yeah I watched Volgo's vids but avoided trying to copy him. I've gone my own path, worked out the rotations and management that work for me and will no doubt evolve as I go. Hell I started out trying a weird dps SnB build :lol: it's all trial and error

Main thing I want to nail down is gearing and what to shoot for.
DPS SnB builds are my favorite ones and I'm playing one of the versions most of the time in scenarios :)
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Re: Ironbreaker stat check

Post#19 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:08 pm

On the initiative conversation, If you are running, oh lets say, 260 ini and throwing out oathbound 70 ini buff every 7 seconds or so (if you are like me and paranoid about timers), does it really matter that it can be shattered all that much if you are refreshing it all the time? The point where you could be shattered, then debuffed, then focused, seems small to me (but I supposed a KD during this time would put you in danger of a whoopin), but I might well be wrong on this, merely theorycrafting here.

If you can assume that you will spend most of the fight with 350 initiative you might be able to free up some rr points from FS.
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Re: Ironbreaker stat check

Post#20 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 7:33 pm

CountTalabecland wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 6:08 pm
On the initiative conversation, If you are running, oh lets say, 260 ini and throwing out oathbound 70 ini buff every 7 seconds or so (if you are like me and paranoid about timers), does it really matter that it can be shattered all that much if you are refreshing it all the time? The point where you could be shattered, then debuffed, then focused, seems small to me (but I supposed a KD during this time would put you in danger of a whoopin), but I might well be wrong on this, merely theorycrafting here.

If you can assume that you will spend most of the fight with 350 initiative you might be able to free up some rr points from FS.
Well, I for one spend only leftovers of my RR on plain stats, the majority of my initiative stack is from talismans ~ unless you are being focused by an actual meleetrain you shouldn't have much of an issue to maintain Oathbound.

I suggest you look at what the highest ini debuff - after that the most common debuff - could potentially do to you with any given value of initiative ~ keep in mind there are static %crit debuffs (a plenty, due to the plethora of 2h tanks on destro).

With every bit of initiative that pushes ever so slightly more towards 0% ctbc, the returns from FS (and general %ctbc reductions) become more and more juicy.
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