Do BW cause lack of diversity in order WB

[oaliaen]

you take a photo from a public wb .. good point

as i said, keep the moral 2 bomb of BW..but limit the targets!!! put it on random marks...and put a condition if BW wants to reach the maximum lvl of the Moral Skill. Like i said before:

Make a tactic "Extra Bombing " --> Moral 2 will now affect 9 targets and reduce the base dmg by 20% ( or more )

[Aurandilaz]

8xBW M2 = 9600 dmg
BO in proper warband spec; 11000 wounds.
The moment the first RD hits, you hit that HP pot, and then the 2nd one. And that is only if ALL 8 of the BWs are at same spot firing it at exact same second...
Usually 1-2 mara is able to deny 2-4 BWs from reaching M2 and ruins the burst. 1-2 tank punts and those BWs miss the right moment to drop it with other BWs. and why the hell are you standing in a pile waiting for the BWs to come towards you - spread out, no one wastes morales on spread out targets.

Did the organized Destro guilds of past have a trouble dealing with BWs? Nope because guilds like TUP and Phalanx weren't playing in pugmode and allowing onetrickpony BW morales to prevent them from wiping Order warbands.
You have S E V E N (Choppa, Mara, WE, Sorc, SH, Magus, dpsZeal) damage dealing classes that each bring unique skills to destro warband, each who bring their contribution to the problem "how to counter BW" - and if your pugging adventures haven't yet taught you how each of those classes aids against BWs, stop playing PugLyfe and learn what those classes can achieve when player properly in a premade warband setup.

[oaliaen]

Morals didnt recharged so fast like is now...

[Acidic]

You miss my point again. The morals will be there just not on BW so balance and cheese as usual

[catholicism198]

8xBW M2 = 9600 dmg
BO in proper warband spec; 11000 wounds.
The moment the first RD hits, you hit that HP pot, and then the 2nd one. And that is only if ALL 8 of the BWs are at same spot firing it at exact same second...
Usually 1-2 mara is able to deny 2-4 BWs from reaching M2 and ruins the burst. 1-2 tank punts and those BWs miss the right moment to drop it with other BWs. and why the hell are you standing in a pile waiting for the BWs to come towards you - spread out, no one wastes morales on spread out targets.

Did the organized Destro guilds of past have a trouble dealing with BWs? Nope because guilds like TUP and Phalanx weren't playing in pugmode and allowing onetrickpony BW morales to prevent them from wiping Order warbands.
You have S E V E N (Choppa, Mara, WE, Sorc, SH, Magus, dpsZeal) damage dealing classes that each bring unique skills to destro warband, each who bring their contribution to the problem "how to counter BW" - and if your pugging adventures haven't yet taught you how each of those classes aids against BWs, stop playing PugLyfe and learn what those classes can achieve when player properly in a premade warband setup.

[wonshot]

you take a photo from a public wb .. good point

I could also have taken a screenie from the Dwarf-roleplaying warband, would that be any better? /s
From how I have interpreted the original post in this topic, the poster seem annoyed or afraid that Brightwizard is the only viable option on Order side when it comes to fulfilling the dps role. While it might be the strongest class for the job, the screenshot i linked deffo shows that it is not nescessarily overused between random players and puggies, and it kinda supported my post about you need to build your group or warband up around the Brightwizard(s) and therefor will you not see too much pug solo brightwizard bombing, since you need to layer the aoe or it is a nonefactor.

So yeah, buhu a pure dps class is actually really good a dealing damage. or are we whining about morals again, or should we just adress the elephant in the room. Organized warbands are actually a hard fight (since this was not an issue a few months back, while nothing about the BW has been changed)


It would be cool to run a full slayer warband like Crimson did a few times back on Norn, can we haz aoe armor debuff on Order please( ) or how would you suggest we deal with these super blobs you create on discord?

[Shooshpanzerer]

Marauder is not a typical part of destro warbands? I feel like we're comparing what a premade order wb can do, utilizing what was once one of their only viable wb classes, with pug destro and the pug destro are sad they can't just roflstomp a proper 5-6 BW band.

I'm speaking from a WB leader perspective for going out in the lakes and NOT for 24v24.
Destro leader: Well, Sorc has the damage while mara has Nuke and utility. Choices, choices.
Order leader: MOAR FIRECLOWNS!!!

It's not BW OP, you can deal with BW, it's all other order dps can't compete with BW.

[dansari]

Marauder is not a typical part of destro warbands? I feel like we're comparing what a premade order wb can do, utilizing what was once one of their only viable wb classes, with pug destro and the pug destro are sad they can't just roflstomp a proper 5-6 BW band.

I'm speaking from a WB leader perspective for going out in the lakes and NOT for 24v24.
Destro leader: Well, Sorc has the damage while mara has Nuke and utility. Choices, choices.
Order leader: MOAR FIRECLOWNS!!!

It's not BW OP, you can deal with BW, it's all other order dps can't compete with BW.

I'm also speaking from wb leader perspective (step above pug but not at the level of rigor that phalanx demands, for example), and we completely agree. Thankfully, order will have more plug and play toons soon.

[adamthelc]

Dealing with morale mobs is nothing new.

The only thing BWs really have over the rest of order is they are the only class who's AoE damage gets its damage type debuffed on the enemy.

Destro has 2 decent AoE casters. Marauders have piercing bite. They even have an AoE armor debuff.

I'm not taking the side that other order classes are useless, but I think resistances are relevant. Order could use an AoE armor debuff or at least have a second AoE class that gets its damage type debuffed. Engineers could have the damage type of blunderbuss and frag grenade changed.

So BWs have that going for them and they have another thing that is good against mitigation in their M2.

[Tesq]

8xBW M2 = 9600 dmg
BO in proper warband spec; 11000 wounds.
The moment the first RD hits, you hit that HP pot, and then the 2nd one. And that is only if ALL 8 of the BWs are at same spot firing it at exact same second...
Usually 1-2 mara is able to deny 2-4 BWs from reaching M2 and ruins the burst. 1-2 tank punts and those BWs miss the right moment to drop it with other BWs. and why the hell are you standing in a pile waiting for the BWs to come towards you - spread out, no one wastes morales on spread out targets.

Did the organized Destro guilds of past have a trouble dealing with BWs? Nope because guilds like TUP and Phalanx weren't playing in pugmode and allowing onetrickpony BW morales to prevent them from wiping Order warbands.
You have S E V E N (Choppa, Mara, WE, Sorc, SH, Magus, dpsZeal) damage dealing classes that each bring unique skills to destro warband, each who bring their contribution to the problem "how to counter BW" - and if your pugging adventures haven't yet taught you how each of those classes aids against BWs, stop playing PugLyfe and learn what those classes can achieve when player properly in a premade warband setup.

nuff speach....

open fight always had been won by destru, sieges/fight in close spaces are a total diff story, and since this game revolve around combat in close space nuff said, in the fights that matter those maras wont do a **** when you cant circle the frontline and all those nice bw keep build the moreales (with also a nice tactic make the whole process faster lol).

that also a thing why shatter limbs / slayer always had been borderline in wb in/out.