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dagodmother
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Re: Dueling

Post#91 » Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:58 pm

Telen wrote:
dagodmother wrote: Dude,i think WAR lore is better than WoW's one,but let's be fair,WoW is a superior game compare to Warhammer in almost all of the aspects(that's why they have something like 10 mil player,and War barely exist on a private server)
wow is not a **** superior game. It a dumbed down kids game for idiots who want to duel and do xvx arenas. That is NOT what war is. War is rvr. If you want wow go play wow.

Please,stop putting word in my mouth.I never said i like WoW.

But let's be fair,you can't compare a game who have 10 million players to a game who only exist on a private server with 50-100 people.

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Re: Dueling

Post#92 » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:11 pm

dagodmother wrote: Please,stop putting word in my mouth.I never said i like WoW.
dagodmother wrote: WoW is a superior game compare to Warhammer in almost all of the aspects.
I said no its not. Its only superior for idiots that want xvx arenas and duels because their ego can't handle the idea of realm v realm.
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lilsabin
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Re: Dueling

Post#93 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:22 am

i got a question about RvR ... how is it different from XvsX ? ... does that mean in this game , you cant take down 1 enemy by yourself , you will always need another teamate to complete you , like a blackorc cant solo thing , he always need a healer or a "DPS" (because if that is the case , this thing wont last long) ... in SCenarios (ekrund) , i have seen lot s of enemies asking to 1 vs 1 loool (since we can crossfaction chat) ... now , dont get me wrong , i am not saying "yes , we should 1 vs 1 and go arena " , i am just wondering what is the main mechanic of this game ( zergling ?) ...

Luth
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Re: Dueling

Post#94 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:48 am

The difference between XvsX and RvR is imo, that in RvR you have goals to accomplish. Ideally RvR forces you to think more about strategy (how to take the enemies targets and avoid getting yours taken) in a more global scale. Unfortunatelly mythic dumbed this concept down, as they removed several features from RvR (guild keeps, fortesses, etc.).

The big goal in endgame is it to raid the enemies city. It should be exceptional and the ultimate win, but with the removal of the fortesses it just became common and boring (before removal ~ 1 city raid per week, after removal 5+ city raids per day...).
So RvR is a mixture of thinking about your personal strategy (buttons to press, people to protect, etc.) and a global strategy (the next goal for your realm).

Mythic also dumbed down the idea of "realm pride" when they made crossrealming easy available. I think there are more people that just relog the side that is stronger atm (instead of fighting as the underdog), as there are people that log on the underdog side to balance the numbers and make everything worse.

To the "how to solo somenone" point:
WAR has a "rock, paper, scissors" idea of class balance, but it is not like "hard, oldschool" RPS; more like a loose concept (e.g. tanks in WAR have selfheals, mdps have possibilities to avoid the high armor and defense values of tanks, etc.).
The basic concept of this kind of balance, is to work together to compensate each others weakness(es).

But there are also classes like WH and WE, that attack from a position of strength in every situation. If you want a class that is good for soloing and has value in a group setup, you should try one of these two. Or just make a marauder... :D

See also Hammerwiki PvP

Imo the "rock, paper, scissors" idea is the best for every mmo. When you compare it to the boredom of GW2 and ESO, where everyone can do everything (more in GW2 as in ESO), i realise that i never get tired of it. "Rock, paper, scissors" creates a much deeper gameplay experience, than these two games (for example) will ever achieve.

Additionately WAR is one of the few mmos, where tanks have a real concept and are worthwhile in PvP, as they have a broad range of abilities to protect other people. In most modern mmos it's normally a boring dps vs dps concept, with some (dumbed down) healing abilities thrown in.
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WAR is not boring like other mmos and because of this, it will last very long (until the devs stop dev-ing :mrgreen: ).

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Re: Dueling

Post#95 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:46 am

would go with the lore testing yr metal in combat.
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amputationsaw
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Re: Dueling

Post#96 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:43 pm

Morf wrote:
Azarael wrote:I have a question.

Where is the fun in unbalanced duelling?
The fun in unbalanced duelling is being the class that is unfavoured/not as strong and coming out on top.
What do you mean exactly? I don't believe that an engi could beat a Mara or WE at an equal state of gear, for example.

lilsabin
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Re: Dueling

Post#97 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:36 pm

amputationsaw wrote:
Morf wrote:
Azarael wrote:I have a question.

Where is the fun in unbalanced duelling?
The fun in unbalanced duelling is being the class that is unfavoured/not as strong and coming out on top.
What do you mean exactly? I don't believe that an engi could beat a Mara or WE at an equal state of gear, for example.

exactly this , see , i think one of the problem with this game and many others is the class balance... what i mean by that is : every class should be equal at some point , like an engineer should be able to beat a black orc or wtvr (with equal gear and lvl ) . Thats why WoW is fun , because even if you are a holy priest (heal spec) , you can beat a fury warrior ( dps spec) all depend of your skills . You know , whenever i am in a scenario ( with my engineer) , there are some classes i dont even bother go against , especially the tanky one , blocking my shots ( THE **** U BLOCKING A RANGED ATTACK 4 TIME IN A ROW ?)... aNYWAY , THere are more important matter to focus on right now :)

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Re: Dueling

Post#98 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:43 pm

lilsabin wrote: exactly this , see , i think one of the problem with this game and many others is the class balance... what i mean by that is : every class should be equal at some point , like an engineer should be able to beat a black orc or wtvr (with equal gear and lvl ) . Thats why WoW is fun , because even if you are a holy priest (heal spec) , you can beat a fury warrior ( dps spec) all depend of your skills . You know , whenever i am in a scenario ( with my engineer) , there are some classes i dont even bother go against , especially the tanky one , blocking my shots ( THE **** U BLOCKING A RANGED ATTACK 4 TIME IN A ROW ?)... aNYWAY , THere are more important matter to focus on right now :)
Don't you dare bring WoW class balance into this discussion and make people believe that it's balanced. Do I need to mention DPS shamans, Arcane Mages, Destro Warlocks or Boomkins? WoW pvp was NEVER blizzards prioity. If it ever was balanced, it was a coincidence because of PvE balancing.

Believe me, I've just come from that unbalanced mess. It's not one week ago since I unsubbed. It's horrendeous. Resto druids, rogues, warriors and frost mages reign supreme. And it's been like that siiiiiince.... vanilla? That's 10 years. 10 years where no one at blizz cared about pvp.
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Re: Dueling

Post#99 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:43 pm

It's a game made up on the premise of massive team RvR fights involving more than 1 person - by design is not intended for everyone to be able to 1v1 other classes. If you guys want to duel it I suggest Quake or something, ya know.
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dagodmother
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Re: Dueling

Post#100 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:55 pm

Let's stick to the topic please :D

The idea of this topic was not to ask the devs to balance things around 1vs1(because this is WaR,it's not balance around 1v1,it's a RvR game)

The idea was to ask the devs to take the idea of putting duels into the game in consideration(after T2,T3 and T4 would be add) just for the fun the duels brings to the table

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