Lets talk Rampage

[Argot]

"This class has something cool, cant we make it crappy?"

Nth thread iteration.

this is how it works. this is how BG was nerfed

[Scrilian]

Why not? In balance forum isnt much room for discussion anyway. You can more or less only agree or disagree with proposal x y and thats about it.

I think you misunderstand the point of balance forums.
It's not about agreeing/disagreeing with proposals, it's quite the opposite. It's a heavily moderated place, where actual discussion takes place, conclusions drawn and evidence presented, given the mods do their job.
If everything checks out, the proposal is approved. Or closed to be remade with the intent of addressing the conclusions from the original proposal. Don't ask me, this is the way it's done.
All of the discussions outside of BDF quickly derail into name-calling, whine and other bullshit, which is, I'm sure, not something staff wants.

[peterthepan3]

Not a good idea to make this thread outside of balance forums. Think it's overperforming? Make a proposal where you outline: a) how it overperforms; b) what you would suggest altering it to.

[Darosh]

imo viewtopic.php?f=95&t=26121
should be trashed asap, guy clearly knows nothing about skill

rampage is 20s when popped on yellow, 10s when popped in red. That proposal is just an attempt to nerf opposing side just for the sake of the nerf, he didn't even put too much effort to read the skill description

Yeah, you need 15s to ramp back up to red if you pop Rampage in yellow, so its a burst window of 5s that is in line with BWs/Sorcs (5s back to yellow, if you pop it in red ~ so again, 5s of semi-effective 'burst'/the below).
Before that you can pewpew in yellow, provided you aren't being pressured right back out of it (anticipation of incoming guardstrip etc, no point risking to transition into red if its the case) ~ so, all things pug Rampage is punishing badly positioned tanks/mdps, thats about it. Barely any Slayer uses it to secure O/NE/SL rotations, or runs ST/WW-bot in a min-max'd group.

[Jinxypie]

Not a good idea to make this thread outside of balance forums. Think it's overperforming? Make a proposal where you outline: a) how it overperforms; b) what you would suggest altering it to.

Dont feel like i have enough knowlege about the game to make proposal.
Anyway can you wait with the lock till page 5 please?

[catholicism198]

Not a good idea to make this thread outside of balance forums. Think it's overperforming? Make a proposal where you outline: a) how it overperforms; b) what you would suggest altering it to.

Aside from Dabbart's viewtopic.php?f=95&t=25996 proposal, which is still in limbo, all the proposals have been less about balance and more about begging for a buff. People aren't going to beg for a nerf.
Heck, even the proposal I've been considering making has been about buffing Path of Da' Hitta and not about nerfing er- nothing to really nerf.

Fallenkezef's proposal is highly suspect. First, he doesn't actually have a 40/40+ Slayer, but just claims he did...not a 40/50- 40/60- but one that barely meets the requirements- why delete something you put so much work into? and when/if he did have one, the ability was perfectly fine and wasn't until he was on the receiving end that it became as issue of it over-performing. Again, no one is going to beg for a nerf.

[peterthepan3]

Not a good idea to make this thread outside of balance forums. Think it's overperforming? Make a proposal where you outline: a) how it overperforms; b) what you would suggest altering it to.

Dont feel like i have enough knowlege about the game to make proposal.
Anyway can you wait with the lock till page 5 please?

I'll give it 1 more page before the powers that be descend upon you all

Good point, Cath. People won't ask for nerfs, which is a shame as it pretty much sums up how many people want 'balanced' PvP.

[tionblack]

Not a good idea to make this thread outside of balance forums. Think it's overperforming? Make a proposal where you outline: a) how it overperforms; b) what you would suggest altering it to.

Aside from Dabbart's viewtopic.php?f=95&t=25996 proposal, which is still in limbo, all the proposals have been less about balance and more about begging for a buff. People aren't going to beg for a nerf.
Heck, even the proposal I've been considering making has been about buffing Path of Da' Hitta and not about nerfing er- nothing to really nerf.

Fallenkezef's proposal is highly suspect. First, he doesn't actually have a 40/40+ Slayer, but just claims he did...not a 40/50- 40/60- but one that barely meets the requirements- why delete something you put so much work into? and when/if he did have one, the ability was perfectly fine and wasn't until he was on the receiving end that it became as issue of it over-performing. Again, no one is going to beg for a nerf.

Fallenkezef is a troll I am glad people are aware of whats going on

[Darosh]

Not a good idea to make this thread outside of balance forums. Think it's overperforming? Make a proposal where you outline: a) how it overperforms; b) what you would suggest altering it to.

Dont feel like i have enough knowlege about the game to make proposal.
Anyway can you wait with the lock till page 5 please?

I'll give it 1 more page before the powers that be descend upon you all

Good point, Cath. People won't ask for nerfs, which is a shame as it pretty much sums up how many people want 'balanced' PvP.

Peter, if the standard that is being balanced around would be good play; atleast semi-min-max'd and well coordinated groups,
you'd probably have to cut most classes in half. Especially dwarf master race, IB and Slayer would be goner.

People aren't campaigning for change; buffs or nerfs, because they are up against... what? Classes at - at most - 15% potential, bar the few times Fusion/LoB rolls around the corner with their regular roster. Whereas skills that'd would be jokes in even engagements between two or more good groups are cried the loudest about, so meh.
The only few propsals worth their salt are in regards to terribad-paper tactics/skills that even the blind, deaf and mute could make out as severely underperforming.

[Aurandilaz]

Not a good idea to make this thread outside of balance forums. Think it's overperforming? Make a proposal where you outline: a) how it overperforms; b) what you would suggest altering it to.

Dont feel like i have enough knowlege about the game to make proposal.
Anyway can you wait with the lock till page 5 please?

I'll give it 1 more page before the powers that be descend upon you all

Good point, Cath. People won't ask for nerfs, which is a shame as it pretty much sums up how many people want 'balanced' PvP.

The 40/40 rule kinda guarantees that no one who has bothered to "main" the class to that rank is going to want their own class nerfed... Look at all the WLs opening suggestions regarding nerfing the Guardian pet on steroids spec or all the SMs who were volunteering to get rid of the double spirit debuff stack or now all the ASW players who agree that -180 init debuff is overpowered.
And before someone shouts bias, how many Magi were opening suggestions about reducing pull range so they no longer could pull from 3rd keep floor or how many SHs were opening threads about limiting M2 + STY warbandwipe spec.