A Full List of Moral Pumps and Moral Drains in the current Game.

[Tesq]

As always wl get the short stick, as choppa aoe wise... If the morale had to be tied to pet and go -600 if die it should get a bit better gain value; also breaking an arrow in this direction the m2 is over time so is worst tha mara/wh/bw one

[footpatrol2]

Your missing Vision of Torment from Dok path of torture m4.

It's not a drain or pump. It is a morale stopper for 7 sec's.

I don't know if you want to include this but Dok's used to have ST morale pump also with forced motivation tactic.

[Glorian]

Marauder has also his moral stopper. So I think I put it too in drain.

[Arteker616]

Excellent thread!

I'm a bit surprised, I did not know that the situation is this awful from order's perspective... I knew it's bad, but never thought this bad.

This clearly explain why no order WB can stand any chance against any organized destro WB on equal conditions.

That's a lie. Get together 8 BWs, have them all run moral tactic, coordinate moral drop at 10 secs after fight starts, drop together 9600 moral damage over area, Destro wb crumbles. Stop running bad setups if you want best possible moral damage potential.
Destro WB with 8 chosen/blorc can do raze bomb for same damage number, except they need 20-30 seconds to warm up whereas BW is ready to go after 9 seconds.
Raze can be interrupted and you can take HP pot the same second you notice first raze ticks landing, or even worse, you can stagger the tanks, throw mines, aoe punt, do half a dozen things to INTERRUPT the raze which is channeled.

The melting power from 2 BWs is good, from 4 BWs the melting power is amazing. 6 BW is death sentence. 8 BWs is how you open the gates of hell.


And you really should not underestimate how fast AMs can help people reach damage morals. 1 AM can do boost 3 times in 6 seconds to help one ally to M2 readiness. Have 1 AM in each party of WB, you can get 8 tanks to M2 readiness in 12 secs.

That is 8+ seconds earlier than Destro can get their Raze bomb out.
9600 from BWs and 9600 more from tanks, out far earlier than Destro releases their morals.

Question is, why doesn't order properly utilize the tools available to get better moral bombs out than Destro?

the trick is drop urself 2 pumps with am wich mean u got focused mind then spam boon like a maniac and u can get someone m4 in less 40 secs ,p

[Thamor]

How many times do people even see order tanks putting m4's out? Compared to destruction tanks just easy spamming m4 damage reduction morales on constant almost every 60s.

The only real inbalance is that Order has no skills that increase morale for everyone only single target abilities. And Order doesn't have any aoe morale drain either. With both of these is the main reason morale talking is always **** posting, because destruction afraid of suddenly losing this advantage somehow.

[Collateral]

You just don't know what you're talking about.

[Fallenkezef]

How many times do people even see order tanks putting m4's out? Compared to destruction tanks just easy spamming m4 damage reduction morales on constant almost every 60s.

The only real inbalance is that Order has no skills that increase morale for everyone only single target abilities. And Order doesn't have any aoe morale drain either. With both of these is the main reason morale talking is always **** posting, because destruction afraid of suddenly losing this advantage somehow.

It is a fascinating, from a pyschological point of view, observation that everyone trying to shut this list down or claiming it to be pointless runs a Destruction main.

As someone planning deep Glory on my knight I find this list very useful ad I'll want to get use out of the M4 tac nuke

[Collateral]

Phalanx is playing order now, you know that right?

Also we are in alliance with rare units afaik, and diogenes guild leader is in our discord. So if you guys ever wanna form a proper wb and see how things are done, don't be afraid to ask

[Fallenkezef]

Phalanx is playing order now, you know that right?

Also we are in alliance with rare units afaik, and diogenes guild leader is in our discord. So if you guys ever wanna form a proper wb and see how things are done, don't be afraid to ask

If Xao and Lefze are any indication of Phalanx, I'll politely decline

[Scrilian]

It is a fascinating, from a pyschological point of view, observation that everyone trying to shut this list down or claiming it to be pointless runs a Destruction main.

As someone planning deep Glory on my knight I find this list very useful ad I'll want to get use out of the M4 tac nuke

Ha, should've seen them prior to the initial pump nerf and the claims of "no one is using it anyway" - to what quickly devolved into agony-infused accusations and walls-of-whine once the 10sec ICD hit.

Glory moral drain is ok'ish, but very hard to pull off in a direct fight since it requires some serious AM pumping, severely lowering your wb healing output by not healing anyone esle and wasting M2s for it. Besides one-two Monstro spec maras in front lane often be enough to protect destruction from Flare be removing some of your moral once get within their reach.
Assuming you dont get drained/interrupted/razed by the time you reach M4 ofc

Phalanx is playing order now, you know that right?

Also we are in alliance with rare units afaik, and diogenes guild leader is in our discord. So if you guys ever wanna form a proper wb and see how things are done, don't be afraid to ask

"How things are done" means blasting pugs in warcamp with Burning Heads, I'm yet to see anything else.