Scen Win breakdown

[peterthepan3]

I like the idea of ranking ladders for team and solo. Like they did in swtor that made pvp something people wanted to do. Would that take away focus from the rvr battle though is the question.

Not really: people who want to do RvR (i.e. the majority) do just that, and people who want to do SC queue up and wait patiently for their pops. It would simply stimulate activity within the SC 'scene', no negative effects on RvR.

[groodawanderer]

I dunno, making demands of private volunteers in this tone seems an excellent way to ensure your desires are literally never met.

Not to mention, these stats are contextual. What if Fusion are on destro and spamming scs one day, but on order the next? What if LoB are? What if, during NA time, Train Wreck and Montague arr spamming scs while Drow and rocks are in rvr, or vice versa? Could change day by day or week by week. Would need proper contextualization of the data before conducting analysis.

But I suspect you just want to be a prick.

It's pretty obvious to me that, having failed in your attacks upon my request, as stated in my OP, you're now resorting to ad hominem attacks.

Nor am I making 'demands' of the devs. I stated in the OP that "I know the Devs are busy but it would be interesting to have this information mined and posted on a monthly basis here on the forums."

And later "That's what I would like to see provided."

Having reviewed my posts, the only change I would make to one of my posts is to state "please provide it" at the conclusion of this post:

"The data exists, it can be obtained, and it should be provided. What is the problem here? It is what it is. Provide it."

I won't edit the post now as people have already quoted it in their posts.

[groodawanderer]

Oh this data certainly does exist on the server, and can be obtained. Your opinion as to what people will do with the information is an excuse to not provide the information. The data exists, it can be obtained, and it should be provided. What is the problem here? It is what it is. Provide it.

This is correct and I second the request to provide the data.

I've already had this conversation with Azarael almost a year ago and he confirmed to me then that the scores are being recorded to help him tweak how sc mechanics work. Making this data public would open up a possibility for a community driven leaderboard.

Right, that would open up that possibility. I'm just curious to see this data provided as it'd be interesting to see. But you're right, it could be put to that use.

[groodawanderer]

But I suspect you just want to be a prick.

Pretty much what I gathered from his tone, too.

Again, another last resort ad hominem attack. Keep in mind the context of my replies to numerous long winded, condescending and mocking posts that had nothing to do with my OP. I'm like everyone else in that I can get irritated as well.

I'll keep it simple, again:

The data exists. It can be obtained. And I am requesting that it be provided. I know the devs are busy, but it'd be interesting to see this data.

That's it.

[peterthepan3]

But I suspect you just want to be a prick.

Pretty much what I gathered from his tone, too.

Again, another last resort ad hominem attack. Keep in mind the context of my replies to numerous long winded, condescending and mocking posts that had nothing to do with my OP. I'm like everyone else in that I can get irritated as well.

I'll keep it simple, again:

The data exists. It can be obtained. And I am requesting that it be provided. I know the devs are busy, but it'd be interesting to see this data.

That's it.

No, no. I'm not interested in your opinion about it. Nor your elaborate explanation about it. Those things are worthless to me.

And you have the audacity to talk to me about attacks/general composure on the forums. Get off your high horse. People are giving you reasons as to why the devs could/should release such information, or why it might not be a good idea to do so, and so far the only responses I've seen from you have been akin to the italics above. Telling them their feedback is 'worthless' sorta negates anything else you have to say, as far as I'm concerned.

[GodlessCrom]

Your own first response to another poster was aggressively condescending, which you have subsequently copypastaed to other responses explaining why the raw data itself would not be useful.

Let me ask you this: do you have any knowledge of database development, or IT in general? Are you familiar with statistical analysis? Do you know for certain the data is collectable? What steps are involved in collecting it? What is the timeframe of the data you desire? What tiers of pvp should they provide? What level of detail in terms of win/loss is even recorded: i.e. is it possible to distinguish between PuG scenario and others? Is it possible to determine which end prematurely due to insufficient players? Or which end with one side "victorious" via pve BO capture but farmed 50-0 n actual pvp? How long does it take to collect this data, who will do it, who will collate it and present it in an easily digestable fashion for the forum readers?

And thats not even all the questions that would need to be answered to make sense of this data. Stats like this are meaningless without context, analysis, and interpretation.

[groodawanderer]

Pretty much what I gathered from his tone, too.

Again, another last resort ad hominem attack. Keep in mind the context of my replies to numerous long winded, condescending and mocking posts that had nothing to do with my OP. I'm like everyone else in that I can get irritated as well.

I'll keep it simple, again:

The data exists. It can be obtained. And I am requesting that it be provided. I know the devs are busy, but it'd be interesting to see this data.

That's it.

No, no. I'm not interested in your opinion about it. Nor your elaborate explanation about it. Those things are worthless to me.

And you have the audacity to talk to me about attacks/general composure on the forums. Get off your high horse. People are giving you reasons as to why the devs could/should release such information, or why it might not be a good idea to do so, and so far the only responses I've seen from you have been akin to the italics above. Telling them their feedback is 'worthless' sorta negates anything else you have to say, as far as I'm concerned.

Nonsense. The people whose opinion I advised were worthless were the one's explaning to me "I know it seems like you get endless runs of losses where you're curbstomped by premade "order/Destro" teams" or posts such as your post about "Mickey mouse and daffy ducks queuing for their respective realm" which does not in any way address my request, and so is worthless.

Such posts make clear that they thought this was just another 'side A is OP and wins all the scens' post, which it is not. They either didn't read the OP or misunderstood it in their rush to post a condescending reply.

So, yes I do have the audacity, if it is audacious to make a request. And no I'm not dismounting. Nor am I on a high horse. That leaves either a Mule, Cold One, Boar and/or Whirly Copter.. lol

[groodawanderer]

Your own first response to another poster was aggressively condescending, which you have subsequently copypastaed to other responses explaining why the raw data itself would not be useful.

Let me ask you this: do you have any knowledge of database development, or IT in general? Are you familiar with statistical analysis? Do you know for certain the data is collectable? What steps are involved in collecting it? What is the timeframe of the data you desire? What tiers of pvp should they provide? What level of detail in terms of win/loss is even recorded: i.e. is it possible to distinguish between PuG scenario and others? Is it possible to determine which end prematurely due to insufficient players? Or which end with one side "victorious" via pve BO capture but farmed 50-0 n actual pvp? How long does it take to collect this data, who will do it, who will collate it and present it in an easily digestable fashion for the forum readers?

And thats not even all the questions that would need to be answered to make sense of this data. Stats like this are meaningless without context, analysis, and interpretation.

Caffeine has already answered many of these questions many posts ago, when he stated:

"I've already had this conversation with Azarael almost a year ago and he confirmed to me then that the scores are being recorded to help him tweak how sc mechanics work."

So many of your questions are now worthle..., err... are no longer relevant to this conversation, shall we say. I already addressed what tiers of PvP they should provide in my OP. As for the other details, yes please! The more detail provided the better, I suppose. I also mentioned in my OP that I'd like to see this data posted on a monthly basis, but bi-monthly or even semi-annually would work too, I guess. But whatever level of detail the devs can provide in addition to basic information requested in my OP is fine. I know they're busy, and that they do a great job. This is a great game and I love it! But I'm curious to see this information.

[GodlessCrom]

Azarael is an inactive dev, I wouldn't take what he said a year ago as indicative of what occurs now.

[wargrimnir]

Caffeine is not a dev.
Azarael is not around to clarify whatever that meant.

There's still nothing in the DB recording scores.
There's still nothing in the server logs recording scores.

We still wouldn't give them out anyway, because of several other points made regarding context.

Also, yes you're kinda being a **** about it.