SM spirit debuff

[GodlessCrom]

I see a lot of SM+Kotbs parties already. If you listen to certain Destro players, its an unbeatable super meta But most SM run stat steal proc over resist debuff (WOH only debuffs spirit res, so need to use the blade proc). With the disrupt changes and dot defense changes, BW are a little less common now. See Shadow Warriors everywhere, even more than before. But yeah, it can be a brutal combo. Imagine if Chosen could double debuff spirit resists, hehe. Or even if Black Orc could double debuff corp resists.

Also no idea if HB stacks with Kotbs aura. Wouldnt doubt it, but I also thought it was only WOH as Penril said.

[Aurandilaz]

Does HB stack with KotBS auras? I thought only WoH did that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but i thought only double spirit debuff was possible (and not double ele, double corp). Which would make this useless for BW (corp + ele).

run guild tests over a month ago, don't think they changed anything since then, but basically HB stacks with any other resis debuff, whether thats WOH or Knight auras or some other source. It's truly unique in many ways.

gonna check if I have that part of tests recorded, probably forgot to record it though.

[Penril]

I remember dueling a lot on live against good SMs (on my BO) and the only way to beat them was trying to counter their spirit debuff. I used Don't bother me None! and Da Greenest! tactic, which stacked.

Just looked at all destro classes, and 8 out of 12 have tactics that increase Spirit Resist:

- Alignment of Nagaroth (all Dark Elves)
- Don't bother me none! and Too smart for that! (Greenskins)

If double spirit debuff is that strong, can't you use these tactics and have a BO run Da Greenest! to counter their damage? And I guess only if you see like 10 SMs, cause the other Order classes don't do much Spirit damage anyway (WP, a few WH skills, and that's it?).

* edit: right, how could I forget DPS AMs. And WL too I guess, though as was mentioned, seems like no WL uses that tactic.

[GodlessCrom]

Archmage as well, though since disrupt and dot changes, not to mention no .ab ex, very unlikely tto see dps am. White Lion has Lions Fury too, I guess. So with Lionheart tactic and WW, they can spam it. Not sure how many groups ever run that though, or if its any good outside of forums.

[Bozzax]

Nvm

[Collateral]

Does HB stack with KotBS auras? I thought only WoH did that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but i thought only double spirit debuff was possible (and not double ele, double corp). Which would make this useless for BW (corp + ele).

As far as I understand the situation, logically if HB stacks with WoH, it stacks with any other resist debuff. I think HB stacks with kotbs aura, but it needs to be double checked.

As for running spirit resist tactics, I don't think it's worth it. This game is all about damage, and wasting a tactic slot for something that could make you last just a bit longer seems useless to me. Maybe if you're dueling, but otherwise not really.

[GodlessCrom]

I thought it was WOH that stacked with all other debuffs, not HB. Would wager thats what Penril thought too. But that is apparently incorrect.

[Cimba]

The real mystery is why don't Order players abuse SM resis debuff + Kotb resis debuff stacking and run with BWs who face targets with close to 0 resists left.

A lot of reason but I will summarize for you
a) You dont need it against PUGs
b) BW sucks against non-pugs

And yes it has been tested lots of times... this hasn't been a secret for over a year

[Rozackroo]

A sm bring a spirit debuff that stacks this is unique and one realm only feature.

Well if I remember correctly the zealot had a comparabel ability (the old harbinger of doom). I'm unsure if it stacked with other corp. debuffs it however was so strong in the 10 first seconds that it basically ment the opponent had 0 corp. resistance. So kinda similar.

We happen to just play a patch of the game that changed lot of things while somethings got either forgotten or left out.

I really find it annoying that certain things just happen to behave differently than what then rule tells you.

SM is really strange at some parts. Being able to deal huge dmg numbers while the opponent already has strong resistance is one of them. Being able to do this while being super defensive due to that sword swirling is the other one. The kotb, 2h SM combo is something that I'd like to see weaken. It kinda overperfoms to other tank setups.


Edit. Taking spirit resitance tactics is not really a good pick except if you know for certain the only problem will be the SM. Normally you prepare yourself for as many opponents as possible.

[szejoza]

Edit. Taking spirit resitance tactics is not really a good pick except if you know for certain the only problem will be the SM. Normally you prepare yourself for as many opponents as possible.

Can't quite agree with that, especially if you see the problem with your resistances going way too low. Opening SC window to see if there is a SM+KOTBS takes few seconds, in ORvR which is usually based on big fights you are 99.9% certain that you will be facing KoTBS+SM.
It's as if you told the dwarfs to not run Ancestral Inheritance tactic cause it works only against physical damage.

If someone sees it as a problem he should use the tool he is given to counter it