[Shaman] Totally Un-viable?

[Miszczu5647]

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Okay, thanks again for all this. I hope this isn't stealing the thread but I'm trying to prove that Shaman is viable lol. As I've said I spent the majority of my time with WP/DoK as well as Runie/Zel, zero AM time and majority of Shammy time was DPS or the Experimental mode.

Okay, so basically I have 3 hots. 4 with green cleaner. I try and have the toughness HoT up all the time, if I have time i'll throw the 20 second HoT on, and if it is looking like a YOLO situation I'll throw on Shrug it Off. The shield is pretty similar to when I play my DoK so I have that down. My silence and AP drain get disrupted a lot so can't always find a target for that lol. What kills me is trying to anticipate when I will have the time to cast a 2 second heal...

I'm farting around with Gork Fix'd It - just to have more healing on the move, not really sure how I like it. I def like run away, detaunt tactic, and 10% heal crit, but the 4th is situational I feel for certain. I get that overall numbers in SC charts might be down since we have no 1 second semi AOE lifetap for like 1500-2k lol. But holy crap I have to work my butt off just to heal decently well. Like On my DoK it is muscle memory at this point so it feels simple, but on the shammy I'm doing literally everything I can and it feels like I'm healing with divine fury on.

Live of shaman... Not easymode. At the end you will understand that you are as good as your team. Shaman is a lot better in small scale combat when you have your friends with you than in pug sc. Heals numbers does not matter. What does is to heal a little more than your team receive dmg. Simple For this you need to stay a live - that's why RUN AWAY, Whazat Behind You, Focused Mind, Resolute Defence.

And believe me - shaman is annoying little git for order. Another source of pleasure when playing one of them

Drop Shrug It Off. You need only puddle and DSU from Mork tree. Put rest into Da Green tree. Your absorb will be more potent.

[freshour]

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Live of shaman... Not easymode. At the end you will understand that you are as good as your team. Shaman is a lot better in small scale combat when you have your friends with you than in pug sc. Heals numbers does not matter. What does is to heal a little more than your team receive dmg. Simple For this you need to stay a live - that's why RUN AWAY, Whazat Behind You, Focused Mind, Resolute Defence.

And believe me - shaman is annoying little git for order. Another source of pleasure when playing one of them

Drop Shrug It Off. You need only puddle and DSU from Mork tree. Put rest into Da Green tree. Your absorb will be more potent.

Okay I'll give that a go. I really do miss the balancing act of playing with the mechanic. It sort of added some fluidity to the class and made those 2 second heals much more doable . But yah I'll try this the next time I am on him and see how it goes. I have definitely had some moments where I should have died and I made it out alive so I agree they can be pretty hard to kill sometimes haha.

[freshour]

I also had another question - What does your heal crit normally sit at? With all the detaunts, and my decreased chance to be crit, I am trying to figure out if I can pump up the willpower and heal crit enough but I know on DoK there is only 1 single target heal that gets much love from willpower and I wasn't sure how different the shaman was?

I know with the life tap era at an end, willpower didn't really matter that much as you could spec insanely tanky and churn out heals, but now that it is gone, what is the go-to way to get bigger heals?

[arnagob]

I also had another question - What does your heal crit normally sit at? With all the detaunts, and my decreased chance to be crit, I am trying to figure out if I can pump up the willpower and heal crit enough but I know on DoK there is only 1 single target heal that gets much love from willpower and I wasn't sure how different the shaman was?

I know with the life tap era at an end, willpower didn't really matter that much as you could spec insanely tanky and churn out heals, but now that it is gone, what is the go-to way to get bigger heals?

Willpower is the worst stat in game

[dansari]

Not shammy related, but last night I was curious about my rp's group heal vs the other runie in our BL group. His willpower is 750. Mine is 690. He was group healing for 1260. I was group healing for 1180. So, for 60 stat points he was healing for another 80hp. That pretty much solidified the argument for me.. I'm going to stack armor/wounds talis and not worry about willpower at all.

[freshour]

Not shammy related, but last night I was curious about my rp's group heal vs the other runie in our BL group. His willpower is 750. Mine is 690. He was group healing for 1260. I was group healing for 1180. So, for 60 stat points he was healing for another 80hp. That pretty much solidified the argument for me.. I'm going to stack armor/wounds talis and not worry about willpower at all.

I know for the DoK there is only 1 heal I think the Khaine's Invigoration that is directly 1:1 increase from willpower, and the rest are either 2 or 3:1 which is why people say willpower sucks and only really makes a difference in the 1100 range (not practical). But I have not tested it for other healing classes. That is why I asked, it is super easy to test you just spec a renown point into the stat and then use an ability so the tooltip refreshes and poof - you can gauge what every healing ability scales with. I'm not ingame to test though

[Miszczu5647]

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I also had another question - What does your heal crit normally sit at? With all the detaunts, and my decreased chance to be crit, I am trying to figure out if I can pump up the willpower and heal crit enough but I know on DoK there is only 1 single target heal that gets much love from willpower and I wasn't sure how different the shaman was?

I know with the life tap era at an end, willpower didn't really matter that much as you could spec insanely tanky and churn out heals, but now that it is gone, what is the go-to way to get bigger heals?

20% healcrit (10% by default+10% from tactic). And few points from gear.
Willpower around 650 with pot. Thanks to this all renown points I can put into defense. I prefer heal less but stay alive. Dead healer heal for zero

[freshour]

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I also had another question - What does your heal crit normally sit at? With all the detaunts, and my decreased chance to be crit, I am trying to figure out if I can pump up the willpower and heal crit enough but I know on DoK there is only 1 single target heal that gets much love from willpower and I wasn't sure how different the shaman was?

I know with the life tap era at an end, willpower didn't really matter that much as you could spec insanely tanky and churn out heals, but now that it is gone, what is the go-to way to get bigger heals?

20% healcrit (10% by default+10% from tactic). And few points from gear.
Willpower around 650 with pot. Thanks to this all renown points I can put into defense. I prefer heal less but stay alive. Dead healer heal for zero

Yeah that is true. That is how i looked at it on my DoK with healing as well. Just seems a lot different than what I'm used to since the longest heal on a DoK is 1 second. So other than staying super up on your HoT's, and that bubble I see someone at 50% hp and they are gone before I get my 2s cast off where as before it was either a lifetap or a 1s or so cast pending how many Gork/Mork points I had. But from all I've been able to come up with in the last few days. It is has by far the lowest output of healing of all destro healers. But it has hands down the best defensive tools on the run. I generally like SC play over RVR/Warband play but I'll keep him on the side for RVR instances or if it ever gets tweaked to somewhere in the middle of where it was before. It is still my favorite class to emote on at least.

Thanks for all of the help.

[Dabbart]

20% healcrit (10% by default+10% from tactic). And few points from gear.
Willpower around 650 with pot. Thanks to this all renown points I can put into defense. I prefer heal less but stay alive. Dead healer heal for zero

This. Also, remember that you have other ways to increase your healing amount. Shrug it Off increases all heals by 10%, Z's have a tactic to increase healing by 20%, etc. The tactic Aint Done Yet! Is huge as well. Remember, abilities stack with tactics.

I've seen my 2s heal crit for 3k with like 480WP(I use Int Pot so my AP drain and other goodies don't get disrupted 68% of the time). You have your M2 and stackable HoTs for spike. The key is learning the muscle memory of your cast/movement timing. Then you can pay attention to the battle around you, and that is what makes a good healer. Not how much 1 cast heals for.

@Miszcu do you prefer RD over CW for a shammie? Or do you take both at RR50? I'm finding CW2 and full Deft Defender at RR41 to be the most survivable.

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Not shammy related, but last night I was curious about my rp's group heal vs the other runie in our BL group. His willpower is 750. Mine is 690. He was group healing for 1260. I was group healing for 1180. So, for 60 stat points he was healing for another 80hp. That pretty much solidified the argument for me.. I'm going to stack armor/wounds talis and not worry about willpower at all.

Exactly. If you really want to be grossed out, spec full Renown into WP. That'll give you pretty close to what you get for running full +20 WP tali's. Test that out and laugh.

For the record, capped resistances, 2400-2600 armor, and 600 wounds seems to be the sweet spot for healers. But I've seen healers stack wounds to 7kish and just ignore armor due to Morale Wipes... Find what kills you the most and defend against that:P

[DokB]

Shrug it Off increases all heals by 10%

Still trying to get back into my old shaman character, but I wasn't aware of this. Do you mean as long as the buff is active on someone your heals on that target are 10% stronger?