Transferred Focus: DoK Melee Healing [Declined]

[freshour]

Why TF?

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It is the single easiest/quickest possible fix to make melee healing viable on the DoK. There are a lot of great proposals and this change would be able to work ALONG SIDE them in that you have to swap a VERY useful tactic to get this. Other changes mention empowered transfer - which in theory should be ran in the melee healing spec - so this change would only work with future changes, not against them - and again.. it is quick, easy, to the point and doesn't make the dok any better at damage (people hate that) but actually less damage but more healing (people would most likely be okay with that).

Problem addressed:

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Melee healing on the DoK is the lackluster version of the DD spec. You either don't get the HD (pending your RR rank) and if you do, you don't get pillage essence (unbelievably good for soul essence but not spec'd into as much since Wracking Agony is usually taken in its place the majority of the time (yes, 1 or 2 doks run PE over WA but the vast majority do not do that). So the entire purpose of the right tree is for melee healing, this would allow you take TE in the place of AA haste or HD pending what you choose normally when you have empowered transfer on - therefore effectively decreasing your damage, but increasing your healing allowing you to actually fulfill the role as a melee healer which you currently are not able to do.

Why another dok melee healing proposal?

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Simply because the other changes while they seem very good (some are) - would take a LOT more work. This change could supplement the other changes and be a sort of "get your feet wet" step in the direction of being able to actually play a melee healer well. As stated above - it would only supplement other future tweaks to the melee healing while not making the DD spec any better (people like DD DoK where it is because it doesn't just murder everyone now).

The Change: Transferred Focus would proc on your defensive target as it always does. It would also proc on all party members w/in 30-50 feet (more or less guard range) - and apply to life taps (as proved in previous patch notes where the entire direct healing/life taps were addressed and shown to be able to be changed via ability/tactic).

Why not for WP?

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WP melee healing is actually not in a terrible place with their 2h granting much larger lifetaps with their tactic, as well as the wounds buff being able to be used as a backline AOE heal.

Why does this even matter?

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Currently, melee DD on a DoK is viable pending a few circumstances. Similar to choppa. You need a guard that can float, for sure at least 1, preferably two other healers - so you can focus on actual DD'ing. HOWEVER - melee healing is lackluster with no good backline heal like the WP's wounds buff, and also significantly less life taps with the fact that we use a 1h and not a 2h.

How this would work:

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Currently the tactic on landing a critical melee strikes grants your defensive target 20% increased healing via direct heals. This is somehow considered by mythic to be equal/counter/dokversion of the WP "On defense (ie. parry/dodge/disrupt) - your direct healing is increased by 20%" - Not to digress too much but this tactic just shows how they intended the class to cast heals while also being in melee range. I think it fails because it is just 1 target, instead of all targets, and also because you aren't going to be able to stack crit heals and crit damage effectively with all your other stats being so hard to get as well (problem with dok/wp's melee healing) So if this tactic was changed - it would allow 20% more effective melee healing ie. lifetaps at the sacrifice of either AA's or heal debuff - since you'd still want to use empowered transfer otherwise you are just DD and not melee heals in the first place...

Why it isn't OP:

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a 20% increase to lifetaps would basically just put each life tap on par with the WP lifetaps, 20% is not going to make it OP, but it would make it somewhat viable. if 20% is too low, other options can be taken into consideration granted with TE you lifetap around 700-900 pending squishieness/debuffedness and so on.

[Penril]

Moving to Discussions.

I think this could be interesting if stacking it with Blessing of Chaos (Zeal). After all, Order has Focused Mending (KotBS) and Blessing of Grungni (RP).

This will be my only post as a player btw.

[Luuca]

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I have to say, this is a very simple and eloquent method to bring the melee healing DoK up to par.

No +1s.

[Tesq]

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not really imo a good idea kind of mirror a tactic from wp which should probably just be removed from the universe (parry -> +20% heal), Still will not solve the dok/wp problem as

1-guard dependancy
2-elastic heal depending if hit soft target or not
3- can be basically be used by full offensive dok to boost other 2 healers heals (broken) with actually not even being healer mode since the tactic boost is not restriced only to dok heal but increase don on other by anyone who heals them.....

Your post is basically "no because they need other things". Stay on topic; other buffs should be discussed in other threads.

[th3gatekeeper]

Frankly, I can see where Tesq is coming from, but in terms of accomplishing ALOT by changing very little - this suggestion seems like a solid one and would actually make Melee HEALING a somewhat viable role in a melee group.

I think people dont really understand the difference between a melee "DPS" DOK and a melee "Healing" DOK.... So it would be helpful for @op to clarify (maybe in a subsequent post) how the roles are different and that you are not necessarily (it seems to me) trying to "buff" melee DPS Dok, but trying to create a legitimate role for melee healing DOKs.

Did I understand your proposal right or did I miss something?

[Stmichael1989]

Could we get some actual data on whether or not WP melee healing is in fact higher than DoK? I was under the impression that 2h vs dual wield had no impact on ability damage, all other things being equal. It would make no sense to give DoK a substantial buff to their melee healing to catch up with WP if this basic premise isn't actually true.

Otherwise, I like the idea and I think it could be a good way to help solidify melee healers in groups. At the same time though, I dislike the idea of giving it only to one side and not the other as it creates a significant playstyle divide where WP's are encouraged to go book/salv and DoK's are encouraged to go melee heals.

[freshour]

Could we get some actual data on whether or not WP melee healing is in fact higher than DoK? I was under the impression that 2h vs dual wield had no impact on ability damage, all other things being equal. It would make no sense to give DoK a substantial buff to their melee healing to catch up with WP if this basic premise isn't actually true.

Otherwise, I like the idea and I think it could be a good way to help solidify melee healers in groups. At the same time though, I dislike the idea of giving it only to one side and not the other as it creates a significant playstyle divide where WP's are encouraged to go book/salv and DoK's are encouraged to go melee heals.

I will try and get some SS's if I get some free time later!

But to answer your question - yes... Yes weapon damage does make a very large difference. Just watch the videos of WP's hitting 2k's on a squishy, I bet the max crit a DoK has ever done on this server is b/w 1350 (1400 is my max EVER) and 155 (I doubt it). So yes, it is weapon damage.

I'm actually going to pass on the SS's because I think this falls under the basic logic category. Just pick any non caster, swap to a lower dps weapon and your ability damage will drop.

[Stmichael1989]

Could we get some actual data on whether or not WP melee healing is in fact higher than DoK? I was under the impression that 2h vs dual wield had no impact on ability damage, all other things being equal. It would make no sense to give DoK a substantial buff to their melee healing to catch up with WP if this basic premise isn't actually true.

Otherwise, I like the idea and I think it could be a good way to help solidify melee healers in groups. At the same time though, I dislike the idea of giving it only to one side and not the other as it creates a significant playstyle divide where WP's are encouraged to go book/salv and DoK's are encouraged to go melee heals.

I will try and get some SS's if I get some free time later!

But to answer your question - yes... Yes weapon damage does make a very large difference. Just watch the videos of WP's hitting 2k's on a squishy, I bet the max crit a DoK has ever done on this server is b/w 1350 (1400 is my max EVER) and 155 (I doubt it). So yes, it is weapon damage.

Unless I'm mistaken, those 2k crits against squishies were during the brief (and glorious) reign of .ab ex WP. There was a specific buff to WP giving them a 40% damage boost to wrath (damage, not melee healing) abilities when they had full RF.

Of course, the 2H auto attack hits harder, but that has no bearing on healing ability.

[freshour]

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Take any character - that is not a caster - melee for instance -

Switch to a lower dps weapon - use an ability and check the tooltip - it will change to a value much lower.

Transfer essence heals for a base value and then 50% of your damage or 75% if tactic at a slightly larger base value

The difference in weapon damage vs the 20% increased with a tactic - would more or less equate each other.

I stated that this is not an OP change. I stated that this will simply bring the two's lifetaps together at the removal of a very valuable DPS tactic being the heal debuff. So the two will essentially have similar healing numbers, and also similar tactics as both will run

1. divine fury
2. murderous intent (10% crit/parry)
3. Empowered Transfer (tactic that increases lifetaps)
4. Melee WP usually run bubble - DoK's will now run Transferred Focus

But I encourage you to log into a character and try this out for yourself so you can see the difference. Or to make a DoK and get it to 40 and try out the lifetaps and you'll see the difference. There are obvious kit differences between the classes but in regards to if this would just make melee DD DoK's better, none in their right mind would run this over heal debuff.. And if they aren't running heal debuff they should be running AP drain (as it is amazing with pillage essence)