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[Penril]

RP dont touch theirs as they have a cheap flash heal.

Yup, I don't think anyone even slots it. That's a glaring example of bad design and should be fixed.

All the HE careers seem ill thought out. You can tell they were the last out of the door.

SWs used to be terrible as well. Then they got an awesome patch...

[noisestorm]

Its not because i am playing one myself atm, but actually there can be made awesome groups with AM and WP where you have absolutely no need for a runi..

[Telen]

Its not because i am playing one myself atm, but actually there can be made awesome groups with AM and WP where you have absolutely no need for a runi..

If you don't take a rp then you're gimping your wp.

[noisestorm]

well if you say so np, but thats just your opinion :p
theres literally no difference in the healoutput to a dok (in a double dok setup) , but the am gives some more intense single target healing and quite a bit of kiting potential. i know im comparing here destro to order, but overall its the same and a dok also works without a zealot and doesnt have gimped healing. trading a rp for an am exchanges your teams tankiness for some more mobility and IF you dont chase the AM he has a LOT more grouphealing than any RP could ever have. but here again, i never said that rp+wp would be bad or am would be better than a rp
its all about your style and the group youre playing with. if you directly say you gimp your wp you obviously never had a good AM in your group before or a decent 6man comp playing around it.

[Penril]

well if you say so np, but thats just your opinion :p
theres literally no difference in the healoutput to a dok (in a double dok setup) , but the am gives some more intense single target healing and quite a bit of kiting potential. i know im comparing here destro to order, but overall its the same and a dok also works without a zealot and doesnt have gimped healing. trading a rp for an am exchanges your teams tankiness for some more mobility and IF you dont chase the AM he has a LOT more grouphealing than any RP could ever have. but here again, i never said that rp+wp would be bad or am would be better than a rp
its all about your style and the group youre playing with. if you directly say you gimp your wp you obviously never had a good AM in your group before or a decent 6man comp playing around it.

Blessing of Chaos/Blessing of Grungni tactics. Not having a Zealot/RP indeed gimped DoK/WP healing.

[Telen]

well if you say so np, but thats just your opinion :p
theres literally no difference in the healoutput to a dok (in a double dok setup) , but the am gives some more intense single target healing and quite a bit of kiting potential. i know im comparing here destro to order, but overall its the same and a dok also works without a zealot and doesnt have gimped healing. trading a rp for an am exchanges your teams tankiness for some more mobility and IF you dont chase the AM he has a LOT more grouphealing than any RP could ever have. but here again, i never said that rp+wp would be bad or am would be better than a rp
its all about your style and the group youre playing with. if you directly say you gimp your wp you obviously never had a good AM in your group before or a decent 6man comp playing around it.

RP have cast on move heals. AM doesn't so if you kite you don't heal.
AM doesnt have the speed proc or autodetaunt of a Shammy so is no different than a RP kiting. Just the RP can heal&kite and AM cant stagger attackers.
RP have healbless so without one that WP is going to heal for a lot less.
RP have has free bubble proc on gheals. AMs bubble is single target 20s cd 35ap for twice the absorb of a single RP proc.
RP have more OathRunes which can buff the group to level AMs can't dream of.
RP can reduce gheal build up.
RP can cleanse Sorc the most important to cleanse AM cant.
RP can spec to have no cd on their cleanse to spam cleanse shutdown a sorc.

Clearly YOU don't know what YOU are talking about.
RP/WP is stronger than Dok/Dok and on another level totally in cleanse heal output mobility and group ap management than AM/x. Due to their incredible tactics choices RP are the most versatile healer in the game. When you see WP doing ridiculous healing its the heal bless and cleanse burst protection that allows them to. AMs have nothing that can come between this unholy alliance of perfectly gelling healers.

[noisestorm]

theres no need for you to tell me all the skills and advantages a rp has , its not like i dont know it. sure he has cool stuff, but overall each runi still gonna use the same 4 tacs anyways.
sure a runi can stagger which is quite a good spell,but its easily broken though and its not like the am couldnt decide between either a 5 sec silence (which f*cks healers pretty much the same) or a healdebuff if ever needed. since you're normally using quick escape and/or odjira anyways you dont need the epic shamy tac and waste a slot for it.
an am has incredibly high burst heal if you ever need it. and while a runi actually needs to tank melee dps sometimes an am actually CAN kite them and get away with his 10 sec aoe slow.if you ever have some enemys on you, you can still AoE detaunt them all and pretty much survive it since your aoe slow should be up anyways. sure your runi has a armor tac, but thats as situational as the aoe detaunt from the am. both can be useful tacs or be both never used a whole fight. and to add it here: a runi actually tanks most of the dmg while the am pretty much renders enemie melees dps-less. so here we are, melees dont deal the dmg they should sp what for do i need the flashheal then? the only things i have to agree is the cleanse which doesnt help against sorcs (true that , but normally your wp gonna spam his aoe cleanse anyways on cd) and the oathrunes - allthough im not sure now if they even stacked with pots? srsly cant remember that.. the bubble you can procc on gheals is integrated in the am's cleanse but yes it quite a bit weaker, but still gives him a little utility while moving. and if you mention that you actually have the time to gheal, the same counts for the am. the difference here is that the AM is never going to run out of ap ever, even when nonstop spamming heals unlike the runi...
and if you talk about ranged dps now you wont have any problems healing against that anyways. simply out of los them and profit.
the real good destro groups always had mara chopper or double marauder which as mentioned above can be kited either, while the runi most of the time has to outheal/tank them.
dunno why youre hating so much on my post, but whatever. its getting quite a bit OT here so im not gonna try to convince you of how cool am actually can be. not my problem if you dont wanna group it

[Telen]

theres no need for you to tell me all the skills and advantages a rp has , its not like i dont know it. sure he has cool stuff, but overall each runi still gonna use the same 4 tacs anyways.
sure a runi can stagger which is quite a good spell,but its easily broken though and its not like the am couldnt decide between either a 5 sec silence (which f*cks healers pretty much the same) or a healdebuff if ever needed. since you're normally using quick escape and/or odjira anyways you dont need the epic shamy tac and waste a slot for it.
an am has incredibly high burst heal if you ever need it. and while a runi actually needs to tank melee dps sometimes an am actually CAN kite them and get away with his 10 sec aoe slow.if you ever have some enemys on you, you can still AoE detaunt them all and pretty much survive it since your aoe slow should be up anyways. sure your runi has a armor tac, but thats as situational as the aoe detaunt from the am. both can be useful tacs or be both never used a whole fight. and to add it here: a runi actually tanks most of the dmg while the am pretty much renders enemie melees dps-less. so here we are, melees dont deal the dmg they should sp what for do i need the flashheal then? the only things i have to agree is the cleanse which doesnt help against sorcs (true that , but normally your wp gonna spam his aoe cleanse anyways on cd) and the oathrunes - allthough im not sure now if they even stacked with pots? srsly cant remember that.. the bubble you can procc on gheals is integrated in the am's cleanse but yes it quite a bit weaker, but still gives him a little utility while moving. and if you mention that you actually have the time to gheal, the same counts for the am. the difference here is that the AM is never going to run out of ap ever, even when nonstop spamming heals unlike the runi...
and if you talk about ranged dps now you wont have any problems healing against that anyways. simply out of los them and profit.
the real good destro groups always had mara chopper or double marauder which as mentioned above can be kited either, while the runi most of the time has to outheal/tank them.
dunno why youre hating so much on my post, but whatever. its getting quite a bit OT here so im not gonna try to convince you of how cool am actually can be. not my problem if you dont wanna group it

You would take the shammy tactic as kiting is the only thing that will keep you alive against any serious rr100 group.
All AMs burst heal is stationary. Stand still on a cloth class and your dead against serious players.
No healers run out of ap at end game and rp can help ap group management not just a solo tactic.
Like most of the disparity between the two. AM have no group tree so lack all the benefits a rp gives to group.
WP gcleanse spam will not shutdown a sorc. Not close. Only a RP can do that.
You talk of gheal. AM have no procs on the gheal. They fall WAY behind RP/WP here as they don't have shield or >>>>HEALBLESS PROC. <<<<<<
Heal Debuff or Silence?? You wont have either as you will be taking the knockback to protect against meleetrain.
AM has no problem with ranged dps. Mdps are the problem. Puddle is nice. Doesn't help against pull or ranged mara root.
AOR detaunt sure will save you for a couple of seconds. When RP and WP can just stand tank and heal.
This is all relative anyway. As you say AM have to kite. Have to. No other choice. They have zero cast on move heals.
Played it for 5 years. When they removed HG they killed the class dead.
They were widely considered the 2nd worst class in the game and came second in the vote of classes that needed fixing and were next in line after SM when they game closed.

[mirko92]

I think that in group a brained am with brained tanks (meaning guard switching) is better than a wp (ex. In siege ic/alt. In a good ally my AM healing (named Fuffy) could heal like 85-90% of a wp rr100 my group heal is so much better and i have more healing-burst in singletarget)
Anyway i used to play my AM as a dps in the last period and it was reeaaaally fun so if no bonus heal i just switch to dps....(where is the problem? ^^)

[drmordread]

The best thing is to find yourself a guild or group. Get to know your guild mates and run grps with them. Get to know their play style, and learn to work as a team.