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Re: Revolution

Post#121 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:53 pm

Collateral wrote:
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Dajciekrwi wrote:Lets make clear one thing -90 % of players comes to RoR cos they PLAY & LOVE SOME VERSION OF WARHAMMER ONLINE. And trust me, your "morale bad morale good" discussion is for these 90% peoples utterly INDIFFERENT. They just ask themselves "ROR bring me good memories about playing WAR Online or not?" - If not - "farewell and good luck".
And imao - no matter what revolution y make or not make - here left just fanatics and this project will be just vegetating. It is just to late.
Sorry its a harsh truth for me, thought you all meet me in every evening on battlefield.
I'm sorry but this is such a stupid comment. I can't understand why YOU are still playing the game if you admit this "harsh truth". People here seem to ignore the facts for some reason. And believe it or not, there are actually people who never played this game, did you ever read the introduction threads? I wouldn't say it's only 10% of the population, as the server develops more new people are bound to come (plus, these 'fanatics' as you call them are very few and far between, and we are one of them). Also this thread is not just about "morale good morale bad" , did you even read any of the other proposals? No you didn't. And tell me, why wouldn't the devs strive to improve some obviously very bad designs of this old game that will in turn improve everyones experience? Why not make new, better memories? People don't 'only' play for memories either, they play to have fun, and I think RvR is not fun for quite a few of them.
I never played live, I know several that never played live either... maybe I am just part of the 10%...

Anyways, over my few years of playing ROR, I have noticed a MASSIVE resistance anytime anybody wants to change things from "how live was", it got to a point where Convert and I joke about it now... there ARE some bad designs, everygame has them, especially 10+ year old games. People walk around acting like live was flawless or something... There is a reason it died, and it wasnt because of the power creep broken gear sets they released either.

personally, I would LOVE to see things updated. On the flip side, I am discouraged because I know the DEVs only do about 1% of what is written by player feedback, the other 99% that they do, they do based on their vision and desires... which is fine... but I see guys like haojin - who has done more for this games population than anyone else I know - who deserves massive respect for what he does and continues to do in organizing RvR play... who in my humble opinion, should be consulted and asked about direction things, about mechanics, about basically this thread and what its about... Now, I also respect its not my project and I dont call the shots, of which I am also thankful because I dont want the burden that is this game, that the DEVs have...

But I guess my point is... Haojin and others like him ARE the core of this game, and the "target audience" who ALSO has an extremely high working knowledge of this game, and opinions and perspective like his should be weighed a little heavier than the average bloke... failure to do so, is only going to be detrimental to this game. I see others like him as well, that make very thoughtful posts, who have A LOT of knowledge about how this game works, its flaws, etc. who should also be consulted, but arent...

Anyways, I really hope the DEVs take more of an open mind in communication with the player base. Given this is a private server, it would be really cool to see more relationships built with players and more open communication with players... In some sense it feels like we have so much "distance" from the DEVs - almost like a major game company and its dev team... but this is a small team, in a game with a small population on a private server and I would think and hope that feedback and open discussion could be had among a select few players to help this game an its general direction.

All of this, again is just my humble opinion.

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Re: Revolution

Post#122 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:10 pm

The devs are remarkably open with us. Go play any other MMO, and see how much the devs talk to players. Hell, go to any other private server and see what the devs do. The devs might not always interact with us in the way we might want them too (but that's just life) but they do talk to us a lot. Also, the reason the devs aren't more open with us IMO is that they tried it, when Az was in charge, and it just led to them being inundated with complaints. Every idea was challenged and debated and it obviously led to some burn out.
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Re: Revolution

Post#123 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:15 pm

It's funny to see that those moaning about any sort of changes, or deviation from original live WAR, are those players who were entirely reliant upon the OP cheese live had. Now that said cheese doesn't exist, they hate the idea of further 'deviation' (read: balance and making the game better).

Idjakrwi says 90% of the people playing don't want changes, I would counter that and say 90% of the people playing don't actually know how to play (judging from rvr/sc). Do we listen to the protests of said people when discussing (potentially) beneficial changes that would enhance the pvp experience?

It's like the 'purists' who say vanilla wow was the best expansion ever made for wow when, clearly, it wasn't (from a balance/mechanic pov).
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Re: Revolution

Post#124 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:23 pm

Collateral wrote: Sorry its a harsh truth for me, thought you all meet me in every evening on battlefield.
I'm sorry but this is such a stupid comment. I can't understand why YOU are still playing the game if you admit this "harsh truth". People here seem to ignore the facts for some reason. And believe it or not, there are actually people who never played this game, did you ever read the introduction threads? I wouldn't say it's only 10% of the population, as the server develops more new people are bound to come (plus, these 'fanatics' as you call them are very few and far between, and we are one of them). Also this thread is not just about "morale good morale bad" , did you even read any of the other proposals? No you didn't. And tell me, why wouldn't the devs strive to improve some obviously very bad designs of this old game that will in turn improve everyones experience? Why not make new, better memories? People don't 'only' play for memories either, they play to have fun, and I think RvR is not fun for quite a few of them.[/quote]

Yes i read ALL these topic y can trust me. like old people says "no one cant awake man who pretend sleep".
And i repeat and last to You again, y can follow academic discussion on your bad or good design, aboy 10% new players or maybe its 50% - but You cant denied fact about leaving this game for more and more ppl. If im mistaken, and we have no problems with population - im more happy than You ever be.

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Re: Revolution

Post#125 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:30 pm

Dajciek, what exactly are you opposed to? You don't like the idea of changes in general, or is there something specific about Hao's proposals that you find issue with? Making blanket strawman statements equates to zilch.
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Re: Revolution

Post#126 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:35 pm

peterthepan3 wrote:I
Idjakrwi says 90% of the people playing don't want changes, I would counter that and say 90% of the people playing don't actually know how to play (judging from rvr/sc). Do we listen to the protests of said people when discussing (potentially) beneficial changes that would enhance the pvp experience?.
Sorry Peter, i dont say ppl leave cos because they dont want to changes. Precisely, I have on my mind that many people from Warhammer online dont come back for RoR- no matter how y change all this mechanics.
That all, im not that such arrogant to speak what shoul be done, to have in RoRat least so many players like in last month of Warhammer Online.

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Re: Revolution

Post#127 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:37 pm

Ah okay, I got you. So if people aren't gonna come back anyway (that's what you're saying, right?), then should we not try to polish the game as much as possible for those still left playing?
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Re: Revolution

Post#128 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:45 pm

peterthepan3 wrote:Dajciek, what exactly are you opposed to? You don't like the idea of changes in general, or is there something specific about Hao's proposals that you find issue with? Making blanket strawman statements equates to zilch.
If you ask me, Pete, me man - tell you what im dreamin of- first i wanna see sucsesfully finished RoR project, with Altdorf, Soveriegn Warpforged and all possible stuff. AFTER that start experiments - y can even erase allor add a Happy Pony or Avengers faction if this make game better.

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Re: Revolution

Post#129 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:21 pm

spitballing ideas and argue is fine and all, but I see the line being crossed too many times into straight insults, please stop it

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Re: Revolution

Post#130 » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:26 pm

Dajciekrwi wrote:
peterthepan3 wrote:Dajciek, what exactly are you opposed to? You don't like the idea of changes in general, or is there something specific about Hao's proposals that you find issue with? Making blanket strawman statements equates to zilch.
If you ask me, Pete, me man - tell you what im dreamin of- first i wanna see sucsesfully finished RoR project, with Altdorf, Soveriegn Warpforged and all possible stuff. AFTER that start experiments - y can even erase allor add a Happy Pony or Avengers faction if this make game better.
Who says they can't work on both at the same time?

I enjoyed this game in live and I enjoy it here, but I'm sorry there are gross imbalances and cheesey builds on certain classes while other classes/specs are basically, quite literally, told to never be played.

If I had a gold for everytime I heard "put a shield on" "play like a tank" "your build sucks" on my BO I would own the AH right now :P

I look forward to a time when all specs have some viability to them and people don't talk down to others because they aren't following the cookie cutter builds or the meta.
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